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Music Industry Puts Troops in the Streets

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Though no guns were brandished, the bust from a distance looked like classic LAPD, DEA or FBI work, right down to the black "raid" vests the unit members wore. The fact that their yellow stenciled lettering read "RIAA" instead of something from an official law-enforcement agency was lost on 55-year-old parking-lot attendant Ceasar Borrayo.

The Recording Industry Association of America is taking it to the streets.

Even as it suffers setbacks in the courtroom, the RIAA has over the last 18 months built up a national staff of ex-cops to crack down on people making and selling illegal CDs in the hood.

The result has been a growing number of scenes like the one played out in Silver Lake just before Christmas, during an industry blitz to combat music piracy.

Borrayo attends to a parking lot next to the landmark El 7 Mares fish-taco stand on Sunset Boulevard. To supplement his buck-a-car income, he began, in 2003, selling records and videos from a makeshift stand in front of the lot.

In a good week, Borrayo said, he might unload five or 10 albums and a couple DVDs at $5 apiece. Paying a distributor about half that up-front, he thought he’d lucked into a nice side business.

The RIAA saw it differently. Figuring the discs were bootlegs, a four-man RIAA squad descended on his stand a few days before Christmas and persuaded the 4-foot-11 Borrayo to hand over voluntarily a total of 78 discs. It wasn’t a tough sell.

"They said they were police from the recording industry or something, and next time they’d take me away in handcuffs," he said through an interpreter. Borrayo says he has no way of knowing if the records, with titles like Como Te Extraño Vol. IV — Musica de los 70’s y 80’s, are illegal, but he thought better of arguing the point.

The RIAA acknowledges it all — except the notion that its staff presents itself as police. Yes, they may all be ex-P.D. Yes, they wear cop-style clothes and carry official-looking IDs. But if they leave people like Borrayo with the impression that they’re actual law enforcement, that’s a mistake.

"We want to be very clear who we are and what we’re doing," says John Langley, Western regional coordinator for the RIAA Anti-Piracy Unit. "First and foremost, we’re professionals."

Langley, based in Los Alamitos, California, oversees five staff investigators and around 20 contractors who sniff out bootleg discs west of the Rockies. The former Royal Canadian Mountie said his unit’s on-the-streets approach has been a big success, netting more than 100,000 pieces of unauthorized merchandise during the recent Christmas retail blitz.

With all the trappings of a police team, including pink incident reports that, among other things, record a vendor’s height, weight, hair and eye color, the RIAA squad can give those busted the distinct impression they’re tangling with minions of Johnny Law instead of David Geffen. And that raises some potential legal questions.

Contacted for this article, the Southern California branch of the American Civil Liberties Union said it needed more information on the practices to know if specific civil liberties were at risk.

But if an anti-piracy team crossed the line between looking like cops and implying or telling vendors that they are cops, the Los Angeles Police Department would take a pretty dim view, said LAPD spokesman Jason Lee.

"I will not say it’s okay to be [selling] illegal stuff," Lee said. "That’s a violation of penal codes.

"But it doesn’t really matter what your status is. If that person feels he was wrongly interrogated or under the false pretense that these people were cops, they should contact their local police station as a victim. We’ll sort it all out."

For its part, the RIAA maintains that the up-close-and-personal techniques are nothing new. RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy says its investigators do not represent themselves as police, and that the incident reports vendors are asked to sign, in which they agree to hand over their discs, explicitly state that the forfeiture is voluntary.

Lamy and the RIAA are unapologetic about taking the fight against music piracy to the streets. Though the association has suffered a few high-profile legal setbacks in recent months — most notably when a three-judge panel ruled that Internet service providers do not have to squeal on their file-swapping customers — community action is extremely effective.

Langley says the anti-piracy teams have about an 80 percent success rate in persuading vendors to hand over their merchandise voluntarily for destruction.

"We notify them that continued sale would be a violation of civil and criminal codes. If they’d like to voluntarily turn the product over to us, we’ll destroy it, and we agree we won’t sue," he explained.

The pink incident sheets and photos that Langley’s teams take of vendors are meant to establish a paper trail, particularly for repeat offenders.

"A large percentage [of the vendors] are of a Hispanic nature," Langley said. "Today he’s Jose Rodriguez, tomorrow he’s Raul something or other, and tomorrow after that he’s something else. These people change their identity all the time. A picture’s worth a thousand words."

Though Langley says he doesn’t know what tack his new boss will take, the recent hiring of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Director Bradley Buckles to head the anti-piracy unit has some RIAA watchers holding their breath.

On its face, the move looks like a shift toward even more in-your-face enforcement. But don’t expect all RIAA critics to rally to the side of Borrayo and other sellers.

"The process of confiscating bootleg CDs from street vendors is exactly what the RIAA should be doing," said Jason Schultz, a staff attorney for the San Francisco–based Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF).

The EFF has frequently crossed swords with the record industry over its strategy of suing ISPs and individual listeners accused of downloading tunes from the Internet. A champion of copyright "fair use," the EFF says Buckles could bring a more balanced approach to the RIAA’s anti-piracy efforts. The more time the association spends rousting vendors, the thinking goes, the less it will spend subpoenaing KaZaa and BearShare aficionados.

Meanwhile, Borrayo will have to keep his eyes open for another source of income. Though he says he still sees nothing wrong with what he did, the guy who once supplied him records hasn’t been around in a couple months.

"They tried to scare me," Borrayo said. "They told me, ‘You’re a pirate!’ I said, ‘C’mon, guys, pirates are all at sea. I just work in a parking lot.’ "

If the RIAA starts acting like the BATF on a raid, some of these 'ex-cops' are going to wind up quite dead. :twisted:

I hope Mr. Buckles remembers that he now has no law enforcement authority beyond that of any other private citizen.
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Oooh ooh, if I see anyone in my parking garage having the shit laid on them
by a bunch of fat guys wearing RIAA windbreakers, I'll helpe the guy with
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Why am I reminded of that joke commercial of the RIAA raiding that house? And why do i not think that it'll be long before it comes to that?
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And the RIAA thugs are racist as all hell too. Who's to bet that those '70s and '80s tunes (whose copyrights should have expired anyway!!!!!) aren't even RIAA-owned? Fucking assholes. If the RIAA wants to be vigilantes, they deserve the whole shitstorm that comes their way. :evil:
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Entertaining thought: RIAA thugs trying to invade China to stop the mass-pirating industry there.

Nah, they won't do it. It's a lot easier to beat the crap out of twelve-year-olds whose big brother burned 'em a CD.
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I foresee a very large lawsuit coming out of this if the RIAA keeps it up.
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When I first saw the title of the thread, I thought this was a link to a "The Onion" joke story... :(
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How in the HELL are these guys allowed to accost anyone on the streets. Only POlice Officers and law enforcement officials have a right to detain and arrest people on the streets. This is duisgusting in the extreme. I pray one of these fuckers gets a crow bar to the knee cap and see what the RIAA does then. And someone needs to sue for false arrest and imprisonment,
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Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:And the RIAA thugs are racist as all hell too. Who's to bet that those '70s and '80s tunes (whose copyrights should have expired anyway!!!!!) aren't even RIAA-owned? Fucking assholes. If the RIAA wants to be vigilantes, they deserve the whole shitstorm that comes their way. :evil:
I don't know about that, if anything their targets have been predominantly white.
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Isn't impersonating a police officer a felony?
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The thing is they probably started this by making the uniforms different enough that they couldn't be busted for impersonation of peace officers, but enough so to scare the hell out of their victims. :evil:

It's bullshit, but it may well be legal to dress like that. However, they do still have not power beyond normal citizens, so if people tell them to rotate themselves on a barb wired dildo, they can't do squat, except try to fight it in court like they always do. What they are going is hoping that the costumes frighten an intimidate people enough that they'll let themselves be busted without a fight.

It's bullshit, but it's very RIAA.
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somehow i'm not at all surprised by these actions. i'm almost hoping these fuckers try and take it to peoples homes. they'll be in deep shit then. though there isn't really a whole damn lot they can do about someone on the street anyways. they're not police and they don't have the authority to make arrests.
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What do they do when they go up against someone who has enough balls to tell them to fuck off?
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HemlockGrey wrote:What do they do when they go up against someone who has enough balls to tell them to fuck off?
Sue some more twelve year-old girls and grandmothers who supposedly download music despite not having Kazaa, or any other service like it?
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HemlockGrey wrote:What do they do when they go up against someone who has enough balls to tell them to fuck off?
Start crying uncontrollably, whining, "Wha...wha...you're not supposed to stand up to us! We're RIGHT! Whether you think so or not, you're an evil COMMUNIST! blaaaaaa..."
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Iceberg wrote:Isn't impersonating a police officer a felony?
Iirc it is, but their lawyers would keep the bastards from ever seeing the inside of a courthouse as defendants. :evil:
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One of these days they're going ot try this with the wrong people and end up dead.
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err.. that should be been 'someone's going to end up dead'
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I rather like the first option better :)
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"Hey, wait a minute. You're not cops."

'Yeah, but we're taking your stuff anyway'

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I'm curious, what is the difference between this and a mafia type intimidation shakedown?
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Stravo wrote:How in the HELL are these guys allowed to accost anyone on the streets. Only POlice Officers and law enforcement officials have a right to detain and arrest people on the streets.
There is a thing called "citizen arrest". Bascially anyone can arrest someone if he suspects that a crime (eg. selling bootleged CDs) is in progress.
(which is actually quite sensible).
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There is a thing called "citizen arrest". Bascially anyone can arrest someone if he suspects that a crime (eg. selling bootleged CDs) is in progress.
(which is actually quite sensible).
There is, but the limits of the right vary considerably from state to state.

What might be a rightful citizen's arrest in one state can get you arrested for unlawful detention or worse in another state.

Also, if the arrest is unlawful, tbe arrestee has the right to resist with force, including lethal force.

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Besides having the right to make an arrest, people have the right to resist unlawful arrest in some circumstances — even if that means killing the arresting officer. The famous 1900 Supreme Court case of John Bad Elk vs. United States remains law today.

John Bad Elk, a police officer, killed another police officer, John Kills Back, who tried to arrest him on an Indian reservation in South Dakota. At first, he was convicted of murder and sentenced to hang. However, the case was appealed to the Supreme Court, which ruled that a person has a right to resist an unlawful arrest with any force and means necessary. Since John Kills Back was ordered to arrest John Bad Elk without a reason or charge against him, John Bad Elk said he shot the other officer in self-defense after he saw John Kills Back reach for his revolver.

It’s also legal to resist arrest if a warrant for the arrest is not technically valid or if it isn’t issued by affidavit, a sworn statement made in front of an officer or judge.
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Stravo wrote:How in the HELL are these guys allowed to accost anyone on the streets. Only POlice Officers and law enforcement officials have a right to detain and arrest people on the streets. This is duisgusting in the extreme. I pray one of these fuckers gets a crow bar to the knee cap and see what the RIAA does then. And someone needs to sue for false arrest and imprisonment,
Ever hear of a bounty hunter? They have been known to actually BUST DOWN DOORS and conduct illegal searches on houses that they believe have bail jumpers in them. And these people STILL get away with this shit to this day.
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Yup, a loophole if you jump on bail.

But really, you've cheated the legal system if you're bail jumping, so I don't really mind them assraping you if you're a chickenshit like that.
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