They were giving bin Laden and al-Qaeda safe haven and logistical support, for god's sake! They made no attempt to deny this! What kind of evidence were you looking for?
Unfortunately many people were not willing believe the obvious evidence. There conspiracy theories circulating among the Arab world that no Jews had died in the 911 attacks. The Jews had supposedly been warned by Mossad not to go to work that way. Some versions of the theory went so far as to suggest that Israel plotted the whole thing to create a divide between the US and the muslims.
It would have been better if Bush went through the UN and presented some sort of irrefutable evidence.
I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.
Exact numbers unknown but more people dislike America than before. There are far more people willing to be terrorists today. During the Afghan war young men from many countries traveled to Afganistan to fight for OBL and his band of terrorists. Many of them came from western countries like Britain. Similarly during the Iraq war foreign fighters continue to play an important role. So how can you claim that the number of terrorists has decresed ? The truth is more and more people are willing to give up their regular life and join the terrorists.
Non-sequitor. Just because some terrorists came from western nations does not mean that "more people are willing to give up their regular life and join the terrorists." The TARGET of the terrorists has changed, and the urgency of their movements has changed, but this does not mean that "more people are willing to give up their regular life and join the terrorists." Moreover, even if this were true you haven't even ATTEMPTED to attribute it to either the US military operations in Afghanistan or Iraq. It could just as easily have been inspired by the ORIGINAL SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS! Finally, you haven't even attempted to justify your assertion that "more people don't like the US than before," and frankly the only way you could show this is with before and after poll numbers, which you admit you don't have.
And, incidentally, you ALSO failed to take into account the reaction of the Arab world to the American victory in Iraq. I don't know if you've ever been to an Arab nation since then, but they were STUNNED at the reaction of the Iraqis, many of whom welcomed the Americans and cheered them (ie. the celebrations in Baghdad). Many of them that I talked to claim that they substantially altered their views of the US and of the Arab world after seeing the Iraqis on television, and you'll notice that the US has substantially increased its diplomatic importance in the region--most notably with the nation of Israel and it's ongoing talks with the Palestinian Authority.
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Unfortunately many people were not willing believe the obvious evidence. There conspiracy theories circulating among the Arab world that no Jews had died in the 911 attacks. The Jews had supposedly been warned by Mossad not to go to work that way. Some versions of the theory went so far as to suggest that Israel plotted the whole thing to create a divide between the US and the muslims.
It would have been better if Bush went through the UN and presented some sort of irrefutable evidence.
Major typos detected. I am retyping the whole thing.
Unfortunately many people were not willing to believe the obvious evidence. There were conspiracy theories circulating in the Arab world that no Jews had died in the 911 attacks. The Jews had supposedly been warned by Mossad not to go to work that day. Some versions of the theory went so far as to suggest that Israel plotted the whole thing to create a divide between the US and the muslims.
It would have been better if Bush went through the UN and presented some sort of irrefutable evidence.
I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.
evilcat4000 wrote: Major typos detected. I am retyping the whole thing.
Unfortunately many people were not willing to believe the obvious evidence. There were conspiracy theories circulating in the Arab world that no Jews had died in the 911 attacks. The Jews had supposedly been warned by Mossad not to go to work that day. Some versions of the theory went so far as to suggest that Israel plotted the whole thing to create a divide between the US and the muslims.
Okay, so you criticize the fact that no link between Al Qaeda and the Taliban was shown by pointing out that Bush didn't explain in exacting detail how Al Qaeda was responsible for the terrorist attacks, which has nothing to do with the Taliban. Great.
It would have been better if Bush went through the UN and presented some sort of irrefutable evidence.
The US released a fucking video tape of Osama bin Laden DISCUSSING HIS ROLE IN PLANNING THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS! If there's anyone who didn't believe that, then they're OBVIOUSLY a dumb-ass, or they're in denial. Either way, showing MORE evidence is not going to help anything.
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"Terrorist" and "Mormom" are words that you typically don't associate with one another.
Okay, I have to have missed something, here.
I mentions that the Antrax attacks were traced back to an Ultra-fundamentalist branch of the Mormon faith (these were the ones who belived that multipal spouses were ok, and were for seperating themselves from the US) who were trading with Neo-Nazi groups.
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The US released a fucking video tape of Osama bin Laden DISCUSSING HIS ROLE IN PLANNING THE SEPTEMBER 11 ATTACKS! If there's anyone who didn't believe that, then they're OBVIOUSLY a dumb-ass, or they're in denial. Either way, showing MORE evidence is not going to help anything.
Good point. Even after the video were released many people still did not believe that Osama Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks. They made all sorts of lame excuses such CIA fabriacating the Video etc. So you are right that convincing them is next to impossible.
I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.
"Terrorist" and "Mormom" are words that you typically don't associate with one another.
Okay, I have to have missed something, here.
I mentions that the Antrax attacks were traced back to an Ultra-fundamentalist branch of the Mormon faith (these were the ones who belived that multipal spouses were ok, and were for seperating themselves from the US) who were trading with Neo-Nazi groups.
Oh, my bad. I've been so focused on the other "half" of the discussion that I didn't even notice that. Sorry.
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evilcat4000 wrote:
Now Americans here mean American soldiers since almost every American in Iraq today is a military personnel.
You've forgotten the rather large number of U.S. civilian contractors working in Iraq along with their foreign counterparts.
Yes but the Iraqi resistence see things a little differently than you do. To them anyone working for the Coaltition is an enemy. That is why there has been numerous attacks on non-American targets.
Shit like that bugs the hell out of my Dad (contractor) working over there.
The Yosemite Bear wrote:Also of note, we haven't caught the terrorists behind the Antrax incidents.
we traced it down to a down to a strain that was cultured by a Utah based neo-nazi/fundamentalist mormon group. We still have no idea who mailed it since the retired doctor who cultured it is still serving a life sentance (since his anthrax lab was descovered in the early 1990's)and not talking.
I would say that is a major unanswered blow by a domestic terrorist.
Yose, got any PROOF that it's nazi mormons other than your word? I haven't
read jack crap in the papers about the anthrax being traced back...
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I only picked it up around the time of the incident, basically within a month of the attack they had traced the strain of Antrax via gentic tells, back to the CDC in Atlanta, the only case ever caught was from the group mentioned. (and they were caught under the Clinton years). The newspapers at the time, did however say after a week that the Antrax attacks were not originating from the Middle East. (still there's been squat on them, but then again they have stopped too)
Note: as per frontline, and Red cross, Smallpox is the weapon of choice for Russia, and middle Eastern former clients.
My source for knowing about the 10 year old Antrax bust, was Klanwatch, and API,
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evilcat4000 wrote:Seriously that is what has been happening today. Despite having the most advanced technologies the US military is losing the war. American soldiers dying everyday in Iraq and terrorists elsewhere continue with small time destructive acts. And most importantly OBL has succeded in destroying Americas image as the land of liberty, justice and freedom.
I agree with everything except America's image. America doesn't have such image, never has (maybe only to itself, but hey I can look at the mirror and think I'm the hottest man in the face of the Earth if I want)
I'm studying for the CPA exam. Have a nice summer, and if you're down just sit back and realize that Joe is off somewhere, doing much worse than you are.
I'll second that. He would have been known more for his religious fanaticism and close ties to corporate malefactors than anything else, and he would have been drummed out. And the lingering stain of his "mandate of the technicality, not the people" election would have lasted much longer.
That is a particularly stupid remark coming from someone who seems to take pride in respondingly carefully in other areas of discussion. Instead, this sounds like something Gore Vidal would say in a Tim Robbins films--in fact, it's pretty close to something Viddy said in a Timmy production. Do you have anything substantive to black this claim up, or is this just a cheap shot? And if nasty, pro-business Republicans are so obviously repugnant, then why did the Dems get trounced in the 2002 midterm elections? Why do Republicans still hold the majority of statehouses and governor's mansions? Why are the number of Republican and Democratic state legislators numerically even right now? You'd think a great anti-Bush minority could at least do the job of sweeping his party out of Congress. So what happened, man?
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