Ok, what the fuck is up with Bill O'Reilly. He has increasingly become more shrill and annoying. It's like he's given up the pretense of fair and balanced and come swinging out of his "no spin zone." His current talking point on Foxnews.com (Can't link to it, its a video clip) is regarding the ACLU as fascist and most likely the most dangerous organization in the WORLD.
That's right, the ACLU is dangerous to the EU and the Far East, Australia, you better watch out, the ACLU is coming for you. How can he say that with a straight fucking face not more than three years since 9/11 when a single terrosist organzation killed over 3,000 Americans in a single day?? How can he with a stright face accuse the ACLU of being dangerous to anyone outside of a courtroom?
It's this insane bullshit coming from people like O'Reilly and Hannity that make me ill. And don't think I'm a fan of the ACLU. I happen to think that they are a pandering bunch of elitists leftists that pick and choose the causes they fight for, sometimes fabricating shit so that they can make a case (ie seaching exhaustively for a plaintiff and if that doesn't work talk or cajole someone into suing) but DANGEROUS?
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Ok, what the fuck is up with Bill O'Reilly. He has increasingly become more shrill and annoying. It's like he's given up the pretense of fair and balanced and come swinging out of his "no spin zone."
I tend to agree with you on this particular issue. I usually like Bill but his current battle plan is the 'secularists V traditionalists' and it bugs me to no end. He views the ACLU as the attack dog of the evil secularist conspiracy (hmmm, the ESC.) while he sides with the religeous fundies that he calls the 'traditionalists'.
I suppose in a general sence he has some points but come on, both sides are nuttier than hell some times. The ACLU is a political attack dog and is baias as hell, but I think we could probably come up with more dangerous groups from around the world. Hell, I don't even think that the ACLU is the most dangerous to right wing fundies.
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But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
Ok, what the fuck is up with Bill O'Reilly. He has increasingly become more shrill and annoying. It's like he's given up the pretense of fair and balanced and come swinging out of his "no spin zone."
He pretended to be fair??
The 'No Spin Zone' is currently doing 17,542 rpm and climbing.
I consider myself conservative, but Bill O'Reilly has always pissed me off.
Mainly it's because I can't stand his habit of asking a question and then cutting off the reply 2 seconds into it.
If I were on his show, I'd probably reply 'If you'll shut your fucking trap and quit interrupting me, I'll answer your question, asshole'.
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I really wish I was still at a point where this kind of thing still surprised me.
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Both also tend to lean heavily towards the latter.
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Ok, what the fuck is up with Bill O'Reilly. He has increasingly become more shrill and annoying. It's like he's given up the pretense of fair and balanced and come swinging out of his "no spin zone."
He pretended to be fair??
The 'No Spin Zone' is currently doing 17,542 rpm and climbing.
I consider myself conservative, but Bill O'Reilly has always pissed me off.
Mainly it's because I can't stand his habit of asking a question and then cutting off the reply 2 seconds into it.
If I were on his show, I'd probably reply 'If you'll shut your fucking trap and quit interrupting me, I'll answer your question, asshole'.
Same here...why can't they just all be like G. Gordon Liddy?!
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They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
As if I didn't have enough reason to sodomize O'Riley with an umbrella before...
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I think people gave up on the ACLU when it supported the Man-boy Love Association.
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Also, I gave up on Bill O'Reilly when he said everyone on the Internet who disagrees with him was a tool of child pornographers out to DESTROY AMERICA!!!!!!!11111
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Bob McDob wrote:I think people gave up on the ACLU when it supported the Man-boy Love Association.
If one is in the bussiness of defending liberty one cannot only the people one like.
And just to finish off with a quote:
"Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently", even if this men is a slime bag, a fascist or even a conservative.
Bob McDob wrote:I think people gave up on the ACLU when it supported the Man-boy Love Association.
If one is in the bussiness of defending liberty one cannot only the people one like.
And just to finish off with a quote:
"Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently", even if this men is a slime bag, a fascist or even a conservative.
Perhaps, but the ACLU does exactly that when it comes to the 2nd amendment. They'll defend the rights of NAMBLA, yet tell me that I have no right to own a firearm.
They do some good work, but they're often full of shit as well.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier
We believe that the constitutional right to bear arms is primarily a collective one, intended mainly to protect the right of the states to maintain militias to assure their own freedom and security against the central government. In today's world, that idea is somewhat anachronistic and in any case would require weapons much more powerful than handguns or hunting rifles. The ACLU therefore believes that the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals to own guns or other weapons nor does it prohibit reasonable regulation of gun ownership, such as licensing and registration.
Funny that in the 2nd, 'people' means the states in the eyes of the ACLU. Yet in the rest of the Bill of Rights, 'people' means individuals.
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I didn't mean for it to sound as if the ACLU is telling me that I can't own a gun. They're not.
What they are saying is that I have no constitutionally protected right to own one.
They're wrong.
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Bob McDob wrote:I think people gave up on the ACLU when it supported the Man-boy Love Association.
If one is in the bussiness of defending liberty one cannot only the people one like.
And just to finish off with a quote:
"Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently", even if this men is a slime bag, a fascist or even a conservative.
I didn't mean to say the ACLU is a bad thing necessarily ... I just meant that they shouldn't expect to win any popularity contests. Nor should they care.
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(Conversely, this should not be taken to imply that O'Reilly is not full of shit
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We believe that the constitutional right to bear arms is primarily a collective one, intended mainly to protect the right of the states to maintain militias to assure their own freedom and security against the central government. In today's world, that idea is somewhat anachronistic and in any case would require weapons much more powerful than handguns or hunting rifles. The ACLU therefore believes that the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals to own guns or other weapons nor does it prohibit reasonable regulation of gun ownership, such as licensing and registration.
Funny that in the 2nd, 'people' means the states in the eyes of the ACLU. Yet in the rest of the Bill of Rights, 'people' means individuals.
Actually, the interpretation of the 2nd as being more about militias than private citizens was established by the Supreme Court long ago, since half the article is taken up by the modifying phrase, "a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state". The ACLU is just following the established legal interpretation, although state militias were probably intended originally to protect states from Indians and foreign threats, not the Federal Government. If anything, the ACLU's argument would be more supportive of gun rights than the traditional legal arguments, since everyone agrees that militias are no longer necessary, and their function has been taken over by the National Guard.
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Perhaps, but the ACLU does exactly that when it comes to the 2nd amendment. They'll defend the rights of NAMBLA, yet tell me that I have no right to own a firearm.
That's their interpretation of that amendment, and they have the right to think that. Actually, since they think private individuals should be able to own guns, they're willing to give people rights that are, in their opinions, extraconstitutional, which is awfully nice of them.
I don't want to derail this thread any further than it has been, so i'll leave this subject with some food for thought.
Eugene Volokh's site has some good information on the history and intent of the 2nd amendment.
Here's a reprint of his testimony to the Senate on the subject.
Eight years ago, I got into an argument with a nonlawyer acquaintance about the Second Amendment. The Amendment, this person fervently announced, clearly protects an individual right. Not so, I argued to him, thinking him to be something of a blowhard and even a bit of a kook.
Three years ago, I discovered, to my surprise and mild chagrin, that this supposed kook was entirely right. In preparing to teach a law school seminar on firearms regulation (one of the only about half a dozen such classes that I know of at U.S. law schools), I found that the historical evidence -- much of which I set forth verbatim in the Appendix -- overwhelmingly points to one and only one conclusion: The Second Amendment does indeed secure an individual right to keep and bear arms.
Even a liberal a scholar as Laurence Tribe of Harvard Law (he was Gore's counsel during the 2000 election saga) agrees that the 2nd is indeed an individual right.
Of course if anyone wants to continue this discussion, feel free to split this off from the main thread.
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Hell, I don't even think that the ACLU is the most dangerous to right wing fundies.
