Transwarp Conduits/Dovin-Basal mines Question

[JME2]

Tis yours trulyt still hard at work on The Best of Both Worlds. Now, I have a question that needs some answering. The answer will literally determine the course i'll be taking in later chapters. So, here it is:

Can Transwarp Conduits bypass Dovin-Basal mines?

[Robert Walper]

Tis yours trulyt still hard at work on The Best of Both Worlds. Now, I have a question that needs some answering. The answer will literally determine the course i'll be taking in later chapters. So, here it is:

Can Transwarp Conduits bypass Dovin-Basal mines?

Don't hold me to this, but so far as I know, Transwarp conduits exist within "subspace". Most objects in real space wouldn't effect them. I could be incorrect on this one though.

Others may have further insight.

[Darth Yoshi]

IIRC, warp is subspace-based, and a planetary gravity well can prevent warp. However, I'm not clear on the mechanics of transwarp conduits.

I would think that the density of the singularity created by the dovin basal would determine the effect.

[Robert Walper]

IIRC, warp is subspace-based, and a planetary gravity well can prevent warp. However, I'm not clear on the mechanics of transwarp conduits.

According to Geordi in STTNG "Descent", Transwarp drive works on different principles than typical warp. He claimed warp drive variables don't apply to Transwarp ones. *shrugs* Could possibly indicate gravity wells may not significantly affect Transwarp systems like conduits.

IIRC, no ship has ever been forcibly or unexpectedly pulled from Transwarp.

[JME2]

I asked because of the whole if a ship in hyperspace hits like a planet or 'shadow mass' it will be destroyed. Certainly, indirectors can pull ships out of hyperspace, so I was just curious if the same applied to subspace.

I also asked because the answer will determine the Borg's role in my story. Yes, that's right, the Collective will be appearing - but with a twist...

[TrekWarsie]

It depends on which Trek you use. In Voyager, I believe that gravity can block warp travel. However, in "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home", the Klingon Bird of Prey went to warp in the upper atmosphere of the planet. I'd use "The Voyage Home" as the greater source here since Voyager seemed to get some starship things confused. Also, Voyager's warp drive may have also been different as well since it required the nacelles to be in a certain position before entering warp.

[Robert Walper]

I asked because of the whole if a ship in hyperspace hits like a planet or 'shadow mass' it will be destroyed. Certainly, indirectors can pull ships out of hyperspace, so I was just curious if the same applied to subspace.

I also asked because the answer will determine the Borg's role in my story. Yes, that's right, the Collective will be appearing - but with a twist...

You've piqued my curiousity!

By all means, if you want any info or ideas about the Borg for said story, PM me. I'd be glad to help in any way.

[Enola Straight]

Warp Drive generally follows the formula Wf*c=(Wf^3)*(Wf^1/3)
Transwarp drive follows the formula Wf*c=(Wf^4)*(Wf^1/4)

Different variables producing a higher velocity for a given amount of energy/work/power pumped into the system, but its still warp drive.


Quantum slipstream apparently has similar variables (though I have no formula to post) but has a different application: where as with warp drive uses a subspace field to distort spacetime, with slipstream subspace itself is distorted...completely bypassing spacetime altogether. Unless subspace posesses mass shadows like Hyperspace, one can plot a course straight through a star or other gravitational sourse without incident!










(so I sez )

[Dooey Jo]

Warp Drive generally follows the formula Wf*c=(Wf^3)*(Wf^1/3)
Transwarp drive follows the formula Wf*c=(Wf^4)*(Wf^1/4)

Are those formula (or what is it in plural? Formulas? Formulae? ) used to calculate the speed at a given warp factor? Because if so, they make no sense. If you solve your first one, you will find that Wf (I assume that Wf is one variable, and not W*f, since you wrote Wf*c) always equal roughly 4294.6, or c^(3/7).

[Robert Walper]

You know, way back in school I noticed that if you multiply any warp factor by itself four times, you get a real close number to what the factor supposedly is, as determined by canon analysis(ie Warp 4 = 4x4x4x4, warp 9 = 9x9x9x9, etc)

Warp...

1 = C
2 = 16 C
3 = 81 C
4 = 256 C
5 = 625 C
6 = 1296 C
7 = 2401
8 = 4096
9 = 6561
9.9 = 9605 C

I thought the calculations were kinda cool.

[Ender]

You know, way back in school I noticed that if you multiply any warp factor by itself four times, you get a real close number to what the factor supposedly is, as determined by canon analysis(ie Warp 4 = 4x4x4x4, warp 9 = 9x9x9x9, etc)

Warp...

1 = C
2 = 16 C
3 = 81 C
4 = 256 C
5 = 625 C
6 = 1296 C
7 = 2401
8 = 4096
9 = 6561
9.9 = 9605 C

I thought the calculations were kinda cool.

The dead on number is 4.1

Speed in C = Wf^(4.1)

At least thats what Ted C determined.

[Murazor]

As warp is gravity-affected to an important degree and as trans-warp is based in subspace phisics, I would simply put a damnly big dovin basal (big, Big, BIG) and consider that transwarp crossing a pseudo black hole of enormous size does Very Bad Things (TM)

[Robert Walper]

You know, way back in school I noticed that if you multiply any warp factor by itself four times, you get a real close number to what the factor supposedly is, as determined by canon analysis(ie Warp 4 = 4x4x4x4, warp 9 = 9x9x9x9, etc)

Warp...

1 = C
2 = 16 C
3 = 81 C
4 = 256 C
5 = 625 C
6 = 1296 C
7 = 2401
8 = 4096
9 = 6561
9.9 = 9605 C

I thought the calculations were kinda cool.

The dead on number is 4.1

Speed in C = Wf^(4.1)

At least thats what Ted C determined.

Damn him for refining my idea and then taking credit for it! It's mine! All mine!

Seriously though, how do you apply fractions of a number to exponent calculations? Would that be like the following:

Warp 4 = 4 x 4 x 4 x 4 x V

were V = .4 or 1.4?

[Ender]

You know, way back in school I noticed that if you multiply any warp factor by itself four times, you get a real close number to what the factor supposedly is, as determined by canon analysis(ie Warp 4 = 4x4x4x4, warp 9 = 9x9x9x9, etc)

Warp...

1 = C
2 = 16 C
3 = 81 C
4 = 256 C
5 = 625 C
6 = 1296 C
7 = 2401
8 = 4096
9 = 6561
9.9 = 9605 C

I thought the calculations were kinda cool.

The dead on number is 4.1

Speed in C = Wf^(4.1)

At least thats what Ted C determined.

Damn him for refining my idea and then taking credit for it! It's mine! All mine!

Seriously though, how do you apply fractions of a number to exponent calculations? Would that be like the following:

Warp 4 = 4 x 4 x 4 x 4 x V

were V = .4 or 1.4?

It would be like you punch it into your damn calculator and or spreadsheet and let the computer do the work Robert.

[Robert Walper]

Damn him for refining my idea and then taking credit for it! It's mine! All mine!

Seriously though, how do you apply fractions of a number to exponent calculations? Would that be like the following:

Warp 4 = 4 x 4 x 4 x 4 x V

were V = .4 or 1.4?

It would be like you punch it into your damn calculator and or spreadsheet and let the computer do the work Robert.

*smack forehead* Yeah, I guess I could have simply done it the easy way.

[JME2]

Ah, Robert, I do have another question about the Borg that you with your database could verify. How long do you think the Collective experimenting with Transwarp before fully utilizing it?

[HRogge]

sorry, but both formulas don't fit what we have seen in ST.

[Robert Walper]

Ah, Robert, I do have another question about the Borg that you with your database could verify. How long do you think the Collective experimenting with Transwarp before fully utilizing it?

Experimentation? That's not known. We do know the Borg employed Transwarp conduits established into the alpha quadrant long before the E-D encountered the Borg cube at System J-25.

You're best bet would be to select a timeframe within the last nine hundred years since "Voyager era" in which the Borg began utilizing Transwarp conduits. Transwarp coils may be a more recent technology since the assimilation of Species 116, who possessed Quantum Slipstream drive. This was after the war with Species 8472. Quantum Slipstream and Transwarp drive coils are identical in visual characteristics, and share similar C factors.

Personally, I'd recommend between 450-500 years of the Borg employing transwarp conduits and establishing them throughout their space and galaxy.

[Enola Straight]

Warp Drive generally follows the formula Wf*c=(Wf^3)*(Wf^1/3)
Transwarp drive follows the formula Wf*c=(Wf^4)*(Wf^1/4)

Are those formula (or what is it in plural? Formulas? Formulae? ) used to calculate the speed at a given warp factor? Because if so, they make no sense. If you solve your first one, you will find that Wf (I assume that Wf is one variable, and not W*f, since you wrote Wf*c) always equal roughly 4294.6, or c^(3/7).

Sorry...formula-ization isnt my strong point
Warp factor=(warp factor^3)*(warp factor^1/3)*c...i.e., warp8=1024c
Transwarp factor=(warp factor^4)*(Warp factor^4)*c
I.E., Warp 16=16^4*16^1/4*c=65536*2=131072c

[JME2]

Ah, Robert, I do have another question about the Borg that you with your database could verify. How long do you think the Collective experimenting with Transwarp before fully utilizing it?

Experimentation? That's not known. We do know the Borg employed Transwarp conduits established into the alpha quadrant long before the E-D encountered the Borg cube at System J-25.

You're best bet would be to select a timeframe within the last nine hundred years since "Voyager era" in which the Borg began utilizing Transwarp conduits. Transwarp coils may be a more recent technology since the assimilation of Species 116, who possessed Quantum Slipstream drive. This was after the war with Species 8472. Quantum Slipstream and Transwarp drive coils are identical in visual characteristics, and share similar C factors.

Personally, I'd recommend between 450-500 years of the Borg employing transwarp conduits and establishing them throughout their space and galaxy.

Thank you my friend. You have literally saved both of the methods I was going to use to bring the Borg into my story. You are trult the man - or is it truly the Borg? Eh, never mind. Thank you.

[Robert Walper]

Thank you my friend. You have literally saved both of the methods I was going to use to bring the Borg into my story. You are trult the man - or is it truly the Borg? Eh, never mind. Thank you.

No problemo.

[Kamakazie Sith]

IIRC, warp is subspace-based, and a planetary gravity well can prevent warp. However, I'm not clear on the mechanics of transwarp conduits.

I would think that the density of the singularity created by the dovin basal would determine the effect.

A planetary gravity well cannot prevent warp. The Enterprise once warped into orbit of a planet then beamed down an away team then immediately jumped back into warp.

[Dooey Jo]

Are those formula (or what is it in plural? Formulas? Formulae? ) used to calculate the speed at a given warp factor? Because if so, they make no sense. If you solve your first one, you will find that Wf (I assume that Wf is one variable, and not W*f, since you wrote Wf*c) always equal roughly 4294.6, or c^(3/7).

Sorry...formula-ization isnt my strong point
Warp factor=(warp factor^3)*(warp factor^1/3)*c...i.e., warp8=1024c
Transwarp factor=(warp factor^4)*(Warp factor^4)*c
I.E., Warp 16=16^4*16^1/4*c=65536*2=131072c

Okay, I see. But I think you should write it something like this instead:
Ws = Wf^(10/3)*c (or Ws = Wf^3*Wf^(1/3)*c)
Ws = Wf^(17/4)*c (or Ws = Wf^4*Wf^(1/4)*c)
(where Ws = Warp/Transwarp speed and Wf = Warp factor)

Then it would be easier to understand, IMO.

[Enola Straight]

IIRC, warp is subspace-based, and a planetary gravity well can prevent warp. However, I'm not clear on the mechanics of transwarp conduits.

I would think that the density of the singularity created by the dovin basal would determine the effect.

A planetary gravity well cannot prevent warp. The Enterprise once warped into orbit of a planet then beamed down an away team then immediately jumped back into warp.

Called "touch-and-go down-warping".

[Robert Walper]

BTW, JME2, if you're fanfic is of offensive or degrading nature to the Borg, I shall bring forth the entire arsenal at my disposal to...ummm...either support your claims or refute them.