ARGH, such scum bags!

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-01-16 02:49am

Right, here I am listening to the Radio and the Seneca Indians are buying advertisement left and right about how the state of New York is violating the constitution by trying to tax them. Thinking it's minor stuff and gambling I start doing more research, and these scum-bags are trying to get away with selling cigarettes, gasoline, etc. away tax-free. You know, somethings I'll understand, and I'll give them that they have a constitutional right to go tax free, but you DON'T try to make yourself look honorable when all you're doing is running a simplistic tax evasion scheme

[/rant which may have also have been caused by the god damned Ovaltene songs sung by a kid that sounds like she has a cold, is holding her nose, and has the voice of a frog]

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-01-16 02:54am

Straha wrote:[/rant which may have also have been caused by the god damned Ovaltene songs sung by a kid that sounds like she has a cold, is holding her nose, and has the voice of a frog]

I too hate the Ovaltene commercials. Wanna go kill them all?

As to the Senecas: do what I do every time a charity case comes over the radio: ignore it or switch stations.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-01-16 12:30pm

Kuja wrote:
Straha wrote:[/rant which may have also have been caused by the god damned Ovaltene songs sung by a kid that sounds like she has a cold, is holding her nose, and has the voice of a frog]
I too hate the Ovaltene commercials. Wanna go kill them all?

As to the Senecas: do what I do every time a charity case comes over the radio: ignore it or switch stations.

No, it's not a charity case, they go on the radio saying, have some school teacher say "I teach my children that the COnstitution is the highest, most valued law in the land. BUt when New York state is trying to violate the most hollowed law in the land, I don't know what to teach them." Or a simmilar thing instead using a vietnam vet, having him say "I don't know what I fought for anymore." Is there anything worse then that?

darthdavid · Post by **darthdavid** » 2004-01-16 01:01pm

Our founding fathers may have screwed them over but that's no excuse to shirk the laws of the land.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-01-16 01:09pm

Indian Reservations and the law get pretty screwy and I think it is different from state to state. The reservations are technically supposed to be federal land and not part of the state which is why most reservations avoid state taxes on cigarettes, gasoline etc.... Now some states have really stuck it to reservations located within their borders but as far as I know no one has really gone all out in fighting a state government by taking them to court.

The several tribes here in Arizona who've been doing fairly well with gambling recently agreed to send some of the gambling money the state's way. IIRC it's mostly to help fund emgergency health care for people who don't have insurance (or who get their brains fried in the desert trying to cross from Mexico). Personally I think the tribes had a good chance of winning a legal fight if they had wanted to go for it, but in the interest of being good neighbors they voluntarilly caved this little bit to the state.

The whole reservation thing is a head scratcher. Federal land but at times they have to abide by certain state laws and other times they are only under federal jurisdiction.

desertjedi · Post by **desertjedi** » 2004-01-16 03:33pm

If the situation is like in most states, the Senecas have the right to sell cigarettes and other products without any state taxes whatsoever. The thing about reservations is that each tribe is its own soverign nation with the "eminent domain" of the US federal government. That means that on reservations the tribal government doesn't really have to follow state laws when it comes to business or as far as civil cases and that only federal laws apply.
NOW, the way most states have been going around the no-tax issues have been negotiating them within the state gaming compacts. In return for charging taxes on cigarettes and other items, the tribes may be able to get certain types of new games or expand upon class 3 gaming (Slot machines, certain card games) or even raise the limit of slot machines per casino/tribe.
As for being scumbags, why would you say that? Unless they are breaking the law, it is not tax evasion or even breaking the law. As for laws on Reservations, man there are lawyers that study just that particualr aspect so they can practice for or against the tribes.

PS. Please excuse the typos... my typing has sucked for the last few days.

desertjedi · Post by **desertjedi** » 2004-01-16 03:35pm

I guess excuse the typos and the screwed up grammar, don't try to make a point while under the influence of a hangover...LOL

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-16 03:35pm

Right, here I am listening to the Radio and the Seneca Indians are buying advertisement left and right about how the state of New York is violating the constitution by trying to tax them. Thinking it's minor stuff and gambling I start doing more research, and these scum-bags are trying to get away with selling cigarettes, gasoline, etc. away tax-free. You know, somethings I'll understand, and I'll give them that they have a constitutional right to go tax free, but you DON'T try to make yourself look honorable when all you're doing is running a simplistic tax evasion scheme

Actually, what the Seneca are doing is tax avoidance. Huge difference from tax evasion.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-01-16 03:43pm

This is why I only listen to NPR.

Lord Woodlouse · Post by **Lord Woodlouse** » 2004-01-16 04:06pm

I think he's saying they're scumbags for opting for the "sob story" approach, when all they're doing is selling vices on the cheap.

desertjedi · Post by **desertjedi** » 2004-01-16 04:49pm

Personallly I don't agree with they way they are going the who issue either.