Are all civilizations in the SW galaxy...

[revprez]

...incorporated into the Galactic Republic/Empire sphere of influence, or are there some that have thus far escaped detection or interest by the rest of the galaxy?

[revprez]

Wrong forum...please delete or whatever.

Rev Prez

[Darth Raptor]

1. Corporate Sector
2. Hapes Consortium
3. Ssi-Ruuvi Imperium
4. Chiss
5. Yuuzhan Vong

[Illuminatus Primus]

1. Corporate Sector

A client state to the Galactic Empire. It was granted semi-autonomy by the Galactic Empire.

2. Hapes Consortium

Imperial possession until shortly after the Battle of Endor. A lip-service member of the New Republic; hence Prince Isolder's pledge to send military aide to the New Republic.

3. Ssi-Ruuvi Imperium

An isolated and tiny militaristic culture confined to a (globular?) star cluster outside the primary galactic bulge and disk.

4. Chiss

A small, xenophobic, Communist enclave of technologically retarded near-humans located in the galactic halo above or below the primary galactic disk.

5. Yuuzhan Vong

Not a state, but a roaming nomadic train belonging to a highly militaristic and religious fundamentalist species.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

The Chiss are communists? News to me! What evidence is there of their communism?

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

The Chiss are communists? News to me! What evidence is there of their communism?

Check the SW Common Threads Sticky and the Chiss Arguments.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Retype of a post from a fargone thread...(find original thread in the "common topics" sticky under Chiss arguments labeled "The Tears of Palpatine's Essay.")

According to Gamer #5, The Sabosen ruling family controls "justice, health and education."

Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

That's nice. One of the four ruling families controls the doling out of health care, education, and justice. A group of oligarchs deciding for the public what is healthy and beneficial also decides what your children get taught, and what is and is not a violation of Chiss law.

The Inrokini ruling family controls "industry, science, and communication." The Csapla ruling family controls "colonial affairs, resource distribution and agriculture."

Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

The State also regulates not only who gets what health care, what your kids are taught, and what is and is not lawful, they also get to dictate what jobs are available to whom, what is produced, what is grown, what is researched, and what is known.

They don't have navicomputers either, so the state can only allow what dangerous expeditions they please to leave the bounds of the again-State-run beacon network that spans the colonial empire.

Gee...might that be control of transportation?

Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

Mitth'raw'nuruodo was "reprimanded and placed under observation" by his superiors for having "challenged many deep-rooted Chiss philosophies" (109).

Sounds like the Secret Police knocking on your door about what your beliefs are about the military.

It is important to note that the Chiss have no finances -- they have no money. Everything is provided by the state.

Emphasis mine.

The Chiss State controls all affairs, including but not limited to colonial administration, resource distribution, agriculture, military administration, foreign relations, industry, science, communication, justice, health and education.

They believe they must "seek to impose order on what they see as a chaotic and barbaric region" (Schwartz 109).

Gamer #5 says that if Cris Pieterson been a Chiss, he would not have been executed.

They have a “cultured contempt” for sub-Chiss, and consider all other races and species to be “primitive and barbaric.” Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss.

They're insular racists who refuse to even awknowledge those who disagree with the mere philosophy of pre-eminence. Yet they think even those traitors so much superior to non-Chiss they can't bare to do anything other than exile them. Meanwhile, Thawn executes a crewman for what was probably not his fault.

Chiss are extremely loyal to their own kind and look down upon other aliens as barbaric and immature. Only by proving that he adheres to Chiss disciplines can a non-Chiss gain the loyalty and respect of the cerulean-skinned people.

Despite their growing borders, the Chiss still foster a cultured contempt for other species, and believe in isolation and preservation of their heritage.

Jaina felt a cold calm come over Jag Fel as his hands slowly unknotted. “Where I come from, Chief Fey’lya, I am in the minority. I am the alien. If you remember anything from the history of your precious Rebellion, it is that Thrawn was uncompromising, and that is a trait of his people. I was raised among them, raised with them, judged by their standards. I met those standards. I exceeded those standards.”

They're backward isolationists, Communists, and racists. Live with it.

A persuasive, and admittably...biased essay...

Ah, the Chiss. The O-so-clever blue-skinned master race, created and much-vaunted by Timothy Zahn.

Who are the Chiss? The Chiss are a semi-civilised race of Communist xenophobes. The Chiss are possessed of a blue epidermis, glowing red eyes, and black hair, without exception—the fact that they are a derivative race of homines sapientes notwithstanding. Indeed, the uniformity of physical appearance is a chilling suggestion of the sort of eugenics programmes that the Chiss must be fond of using, as humans do not have uniform characteristics to the extent possessed by the Chiss without extensive external interference.

The Chiss first appeared as a group in Mr Zahn’s Vision of the Future, in which we, the audience, were introduced to the Hand of Thrawn, a group of traitors who consort with Imperial exiles—all of whom are absorbed in the cult of the Leader (in this case, none other than the strategic imbecile Grand Admiral Thrawn). The Hand of Thrawn has since made reappearances in Elaine Cunningham’s “Red Sky, Blue Flame” and Michael A. Stackpole’s Dark Tide II: Ruin.

Their entire civilisation is governed by a single, unitary and highly centralised government, controlled by four ruling families on the capitol world, Csilla. They do not use any form of capitalism, as economic affairs are all handled by that selfsame oligarchical government (cf. Karl Marx’s mandate that Communist governments should eradicate capital). They have a “cultured contempt” for sub-Chiss, and consider all other races and species to be “primitive and barbaric.” Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss. (These data courtesy of Gamer #5.)

Nowhere is Chiss racial self-aggrandisement better displayed than in the conduct of one Mitth’raw’nuruodo, better known as Grand Admiral Thrawn. Admiral Thrawn had an enlisted crewman brutally executed for a minor failure; Gamer #5 explicitly states that had Ables’man Pieterson been a Chiss, he would not have been executed. In other words, like a typical racist, Admiral Thrawn demonstrated an abominable double-standard determined solely by the colour of one’s skin.

Many people like to assert that the Chiss destroyed the Ssi-ruuvi Imperium, based on the New Republic Historical Council’s statement that “another force from deep in the Unknown Regions had already attacked the Ssi-ruuvi Imperium on the opposite front, leaving devastation in their wake,” and then that “recent interpretations of the data have suggested that the attackers were the Chiss, the blue-skinned humanoid race of which Imperial Grand Admiral Thrawn was a member” (The Essential Chronology).

(The Historical Council also indicates that the Alliance High Command considered the Ssi-ruuk such a threat that the elimination thereof would require a paltry “dozen Nebulon-B frigates and smaller vessels at their disposal”—a task force which pales before the awful majesty of such mighty Imperial groups as the Death Squadron, with its twenty battleships and armada of accompanying lesser vessels. That is to say, if the Chiss were responsible for having eliminated the Ssi-ruuk, it is a task of such minor import that it would not even rate a full assault fleet under the Empire.)

The Chiss are also an only marginally capable civilisation, the constant contentions of Mittyphiles notwithstanding. Gamer #5 indicates that Chiss vessels lack navicomputers, and are unable to safely leave Chiss-held territory. The Chiss utilise a large network of navigation beacons (cf. Karl Marx’s mandate that Communist governments should be able to tightly control transportation). This more recent datum reveals that the New Republic Historical Council’s suggestion that the Chiss may have destroyed the Ssi-ruuvi Imperium is inaccurate.

The Chiss’ military growth and development so retarded, not only are they ideologically opposed to preëmptive strikes, they are logistically incompetent to do so—they only repel foreign threats which invade their territory, but are unable to venture beyond the borders of their colonial empire, a side-effect of their peculiarly backward navigational system. Chiss clawcraft have navicomputers... but they are, in fact, amalgamations of Chiss and Imperial technology, and are unavailable to the Chiss proper. In fact, according to Gamer #5, the Chiss “do not have a starship larger than an escort frigate (about 300 meters in length).” A clear indication that the Chiss are grossly behind the galactic standard technological level.

This is the vaunted “Chiss superman.” A technologically and militarily backward isolationist, with a healthy dose of Ingsoc-style societal values and Communist police-state leanings. Indeed, Star Wars is a place of colourful analogues... blue ’sabres, blue milk, and blue Stalinists. Big Brother is watching you... and he has glowing red eyes.

[Sarevok]

Not a state, but a roaming nomadic train belonging to a highly militaristic and religious fundamentalist species.

Also were not the Vong from outside the known Galaxy ?

[Darth Raptor]

Also were not the Vong from outside the known Galaxy ?

Yes.

[Tribun]

Also were not the Vong from outside the known Galaxy ?

Yes.

But I think they won't be a danger anymore, now with thier balls cut off.....

[Darth Raptor]

A question in regards to the Vong. The force they sent to invade the galaxy, was that everything they had? I was under the impression they had control of other galaxies elswhere.

[TrekWarsie]

I think that it was since they were forced to leave their former galaxy because they had killed all of the planets in that galaxy for something.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I think that it was since they were forced to leave their former galaxy because they had killed all of the planets in that galaxy for something.

TUF claims they were "banished" which to me sounds suspiciously like "they were defeated and had to leave."

[Solauren]

no, the entire Vong species was nomadic, since they trashed there own galaxy.

That was it when the Vong hit the GFFA.

The only Star Wars species I can think of that are not in the Unknown Regions and not part of the Empire (as of the Battle of Endor) are

The Ssi-Ruvvi, who the Emperor was planning to deal with (one way or the other)
the Gree Enclave
and part of the Kathol Outback

The rest was all part of the Empire

[Peregrin Toker]

Do the Kaminoans count?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Do the Kaminoans count?

Not really. Kamino is just a single planet way out in the boonies whose native species likes to keep with themselves and prefer to deal only with paying customers. There could be hundreds, if not thousands or millions of planets just like it in the Galaxy.

[Ender]

I think that it was since they were forced to leave their former galaxy because they had killed all of the planets in that galaxy for something.

TUF claims they were "banished" which to me sounds suspiciously like "they were defeated and had to leave."

They were banished from Yuuzhan'tar and the force, not their home galaxy. That they tore to shreds in a series of civil wars and the initial conquest.

[Peregrin Toker]

Do the Kaminoans count?

Not really. Kamino is just a single planet way out in the boonies whose native species likes to keep with themselves and prefer to deal only with paying customers.

It still is a civilization which is largely outside the Empire/Republic's sphere of influence (save for during the Clone Wars) and has escaped much decection and interest from others largely due to its inhabitants' own isolationism, thus (along with other completely independent planets) fitting Revprez' definition.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Going by that, yes, it would be correct. I assumed that by "civilisations," he meant ones that were at a larger scale than just a single planet.

[revprez]

Going by that, yes, it would be correct. I assumed that by "civilisations," he meant ones that were at a larger scale than just a single planet.

Sorry, should've clarified. Any civilization, whether were talking about nation-states, planetary states, interstellar states, whatever...any of these.

Rev Prez

[Solauren]

Going by 'multi-planet' civilizations, maybe 3 or 4, and only because the Emperor hadn't bothered yet.

As for single planets
Again, only because the Empire didn't consider them worth the time, YET.


Please note, Palaptine planned to conquer the Universe, so one would assume once the rebels were crushed, he was going to take over every single last planet in his galaxy before going after more.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I think that it was since they were forced to leave their former galaxy because they had killed all of the planets in that galaxy for something.

TUF claims they were "banished" which to me sounds suspiciously like "they were defeated and had to leave."

They were banished from Yuuzhan'tar and the force, not their home galaxy. That they tore to shreds in a series of civil wars and the initial conquest.

That's too idiotic for words. How could you moon crash and BDZ every single inhabited world in a galaxy?

Your civilization would collapse and revert to earlier technological states by the time you blew up a certain quantity of your own support.

[His Divine Shadow]

They have a “cultured contempt” for sub-Chiss, and consider all other races and species to be “primitive and barbaric.” Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss.

They're insular racists who refuse to even awknowledge those who disagree with the mere philosophy of pre-eminence. Yet they think even those traitors so much superior to non-Chiss they can't bare to do anything other than exile them. Meanwhile, Thawn executes a crewman for what was probably not his fault.

Well it doesn't seem to be a racial issue per sé, they consider other species inferior because they have not been brought up in the glorious and superior ways of Chiss philosophy, it's not simply because they are of another species, but because as a result of being from another species and consequently, another society, they haven't been brought up with their culturual values.

It's more a form of culturual elitism/snobbery rather than outright racism, because they allow for members of other species to attain the same kind of respect they give each other if they embrace their philosophies, this would not be possible if they where racists, nomatter what they did they'd still just be inferior, just like to a white supremacist a nigger will always be a nigger nomatter what.

[Illuminatus Primus]

They have a “cultured contempt” for sub-Chiss, and consider all other races and species to be “primitive and barbaric.” Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss.

They're insular racists who refuse to even awknowledge those who disagree with the mere philosophy of pre-eminence. Yet they think even those traitors so much superior to non-Chiss they can't bare to do anything other than exile them. Meanwhile, Thawn executes a crewman for what was probably not his fault.

Well it doesn't seem to be a racial issue per sé, they consider other species inferior because they have not been brought up in the glorious and superior ways of Chiss philosophy, it's not simply because they are of another species, but because as a result of being from another species and consequently, another society, they haven't been brought up with their culturual values.

It's more a form of culturual elitism/snobbery rather than outright racism, because they allow for members of other species to attain the same kind of respect they give each other if they embrace their philosophies, this would not be possible if they where racists, nomatter what they did they'd still just be inferior, just like to a white supremacist a nigger will always be a nigger nomatter what.

This, again, has to be the most idiotic thing you've ever said HDS.

They are saying that the most worthless laborer Chiss on a backward colony is always, from birth, better than a human.

The only way a human can raise his worth is by serving the Chiss, and overcoming their humanity--this is akin to the "honorary Aryans" of the National Socialists in their acceptance of the Japanese.

To a Chiss, your race, if not Chiss, is a huge barrier to overcome. The mere fact they prescribe different systems of judgement to people of different racial backgrounds in of itself is racist. Racism is defined as descrimination on the grounds of race.

So, in order to achieve any worth in Chiss society, and be equal to the lowliest worker, you must be a fanatically loyal and brilliant warrior and commander, and fight for the Chiss, even being maimed in the process. There is an intrinsic double-standard involved in determining your personal worth which depends on whether you're a Chiss or not. Colonel Jagged Fel was born within the society and culture of Syndic Mitth'raw'noroudo's Household Phalanx, and still was required to rise above his humanity.

[His Divine Shadow]

Colonel Jagged Fel was born within the society and culture of Syndic Mitth'raw'noroudo's Household Phalanx, and still was required to rise above his humanity.

I have never heard of anything like this, because if he was born in Chiss society he should be a product of their cultural values.
Can you show me where he had to do things such as "overcoming his humanity" and being forced to prove himself despite being raised as a Chiss?
Because I have never heard or seen anything like that, nor have I seen that Jagged Fel has in any way been treated differently than other Chiss, anywhere.

The honorary aryan league was a bunch of nonsense, the Nazi's didn't think the Japanese where equal nomatter what they did, they where still an inferior race.
Whereas here, everything I have seen points towards culture and philosohpies, not race, being the main factor, unless there is something you have not shown here that would say otherwise, such as what you said about Jagged Fel.