Israel Ambassador Trashes Art

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-01-17 11:52pm

What a fucking cunt..

I'm not too stupid to dress my links

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-17 11:58pm

I don't get it. It looks to me like the art was condemning the suicide queen, not praising her.

Shitty artwork but that's besides the point.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-01-18 12:01am

I'd have done the same damn thing, if there was an artwork with
mohammed atta's pic being displayed

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-18 12:03am

Joe wrote:I don't get it. It looks to me like the art was condemning the suicide queen, not praising her.

I don't know. It doesn't seem to be making much a statement either way. It's certainly open to interpertation.

Joe wrote:Shitty artwork but that's besides the point.

Hey, welcome to nu-art. Slap any stupid shit together and it's art. Industrial accident? It's art. Your girl friend purged on the floor? Art. Your dog took a dookie on your shoe? Art.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-01-18 12:17am

It's conceptual art. A while back, IIRC, the Director of Art for the Carnegie tried to move a collection of pipes she thought was an installation. She succeed in moving it, but unfortunately all the toilets on the next floor up stopped working and the room flooded. Anything can be art as long as it Means Something.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-01-18 12:19am

EDIT: That does not, however, excuse the Ambassadors actions. He was way out of line there. Destroying the installation and possible endangering lives is inexcusable.

RadiO · Post by **RadiO** » 2004-01-18 12:24am

Funny move for a diplomat, of all people. I wonder if there's something personal behind this.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-01-18 02:16am

The idea behind the art is that she, the suicide bomber, was a normal woman, loving mother, lawyer, etc. And yet she went on to create such a bloodbath. Thats why her picture is floating in the middle of a pool of 'blood', to emphasis that she was just an average person, but she did something incredibly horrible.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-01-18 02:19am

The question is what is art. Every modern painting sold at a high price are badly drawn patches of ink. What do people find artistic in them ?

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-18 02:21am

When it comes to art, I'm impressed by skill and style, not statement or political agenda. I hate this avant garde shit too.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-01-18 02:27am

Dictionarilly speaking;

4 a : the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced b (1) : FINE ARTS (2) : one of the fine arts (3) : a graphic art

Personally I think it's any visual work that the creator makes for the purpose of enjoying its appearance.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-18 02:28am

To quote Peter Griffin:

"What's the difference between pornography and art?"

"A government grant!"

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-18 02:34am

kojikun wrote:Personally I think it's any visual work that the creator makes for the purpose of enjoying its appearance.

I don't think anyones saying it can't be construed as art, at least I'm not. I'm just saying it sucks ass, IMO.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-01-18 02:55am

Lazy Raptor wrote:I don't think anyones saying it can't be construed as art, at least I'm not. I'm just saying it sucks ass, IMO.

All art sucks, it just depends on who you ask.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-01-18 09:02am

Well Israel has good will to burn in Europe after all.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-01-18 09:29am

What ever you think of the particular piece of "art" the Isreali Ambassador displayed rather infantile behaviour by throwing a temper tantrum like that. I would be quite angry at any Finnish Ambassador who pulled a stunt like that and made a fool of himself publicly.

Sebastin · Post by **Sebastin** » 2004-01-18 09:54am

kojikun wrote:The idea behind the art is that she, the suicide bomber, was a normal woman, loving mother, lawyer, etc. And yet she went on to create such a bloodbath. Thats why her picture is floating in the middle of a pool of 'blood', to emphasis that she was just an average person, but she did something incredibly horrible.

The controversial part may be the fact that the women in question blew herself up one day after her brother was killed in front of her eyes by IDF soldiers. The message behind that probably doesn´t go well with the current israeli political line. The linked article doesn´t seem to mention it but i read that in a german source.

Fun developments since then:

- Ariel Sharon publicy applauded the ambassadors action.

- Apparantly it wasn´t a spontanous act. The ambassador knew beforehand of the exhibit and planned his reaction.

Worlds Spanner · Post by **Worlds Spanner** » 2004-01-18 10:01am

I'm really pretty tired of this crap.

If disapproving of this stuff now classifies me as an "anti-semite" then sign me up.

Fuck Israel.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-18 10:10am

Sebastin wrote:Fun developments since then:

- Ariel Sharon publicy applauded the ambassadors action.

- Apparantly it wasn´t a spontanous act. The ambassador knew beforehand of the exhibit and planned his reaction.

Is the Israeli leadership on crack? Are they so smug in there position of American favor that they think they can get away with this childish shit indefinately?

Fuck Israel.

Seconded. And for good measure, fuck Palestine.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2004-01-18 10:26am

Stormbringer wrote: Hey, welcome to nu-art. Slap any stupid shit together and it's art. Industrial accident? It's art. Your girl friend purged on the floor? Art. Your dog took a dookie on your shoe? Art.

of course the relevant piece of art destroyed by the diplomat has absolutely nothing to do with this accitedential "art" described by you. there´s a concept behind the bloddy basin and the ship foating in it, maybe a bit too cheesy for some people but definetly nothing like dog shit, unless you´re one of those people who need mountains, trees and waterfalls to consider something art.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-01-18 10:52am

Lazy Raptor wrote:
Is the Israeli leadership on crack? Are they so smug in there position of American favor that they think they can get away with this childish shit indefinately?

They have every right to be smug, the rest of the world has made their position on Israel clear yet they continue to do as they please, as long as the US backs them they can and will do whatever the hell they like.

The Swedish government should throw him out of the country and tell Israel that if they can't find people with the appropriate level of decorum then they shouldn't send an Ambassador at all.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-18 10:55am

If Israel is terminated someday, I wouldn't shed a tear.
I can't hear thier shit anymore.
Hope they go to hell..................

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-01-18 12:19pm

Whether people consider the art good or not is irrelevant. He had no right to destroy it and he certainly didn't have the right to throw a spotlight into a pool of water, which could have potentially injured someone. I hope there are some consquences for the ambassador in question (I don't fault Israel here, despite poor taste in diplomats). I doubt their will be, since ambassadors can get away with huge amounts of shit and still not be punished.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2004-01-18 12:21pm

TheDarkling wrote:The Swedish government should throw him out of the country and tell Israel that if they can't find people with the appropriate level of decorum then they shouldn't send an Ambassador at all.

They have called him into the statde department to explain his actions. More to come on Monday.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-01-18 01:31pm

Gil Hamilton wrote:Whether people consider the art good or not is irrelevant. He had no right to destroy it and he certainly didn't have the right to throw a spotlight into a pool of water, which could have potentially injured someone. I hope there are some consquences for the ambassador in question (I don't fault Israel here, despite poor taste in diplomats). I doubt their will be, since ambassadors can get away with huge amounts of shit and still not be punished.

Why not blame Israel? Sharon has appluaded the guys actions

"I think the phenomenon [of anti-Semitism] is so serious that it would have been forbidden not to have acted on the spot," Mr Sharon said.

"I called our ambassador in Sweden Zvi Mazel last night and thanked him for his strength in dealing with increasing anti-Semitism, and told him that the entire government stands behind him," Mr Sharon told a cabinet meeting Sunday.

"I think Ambassador Mazel behaved in an appropriate way."

Israeli foreign ministry spokesman David Saranger had urged the Swedish Government to "take steps to remove it".

From BBC news