STGOD2 OOC Thread

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-01-18 03:57pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:No, I mean my original defenses. The ones I had before I was invaded. 2 shield layers and 2 battlestations, along with a field of unmanned drones.
True, but you forget Beowulf's forces go for quantity rather necessarily top quality. From what I remember you were going for some thing that would have stood off entire navies with out batting an eye.

Don't forget that paranoia is a national trait, as well.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-18 06:31pm

Um, thirdfain? didn't I specificaly state that everyone loyal to the emperor was dead?

How stupid do you think the members of the coup are? The emperor's personal secretary would probably be dead.

LOL. A coup in which EVERY SINGLE person loyal to the Emperor was killed would be so massive there would be no hiding it. You can go for stealth, or completeness. If you choose stealth, then there will be complications- soldiers who liked the old regime, followed orders during the coup, and then thought about their actions, for instance. Your description of the Coup leaders as "Clark Loyalists" from B5 is interesting, as in their coup, there were large sections of the civilian, governmental, and military structures which saw something was wrong and moved to oppose it, and they didn't have foreign help.

Such a U-turn in policy is not going to be 100 percent succesful.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-01-18 08:19pm

Not everyone, but someone who was "In the next room" would surely be dead.

(Since I just got B5 season 4 on DVD, and that's influencing my actions a little, you will see the resistance later on.)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-18 08:26pm

On the contrary, with Commonwealth agents working hard to foment, you will see the resistance now.

Or soon, at least.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-01-18 08:32pm

I was actually thinking about playing as the resistance, or at least a fraction of it, but i'm not sure my goals as either side would be compatible.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-18 08:38pm

That would be a problem, huh? dueling with yourself?

Quick question- Is the Emperor a total ruler? are there regional governers, a senate?

How free are Krytosian citizens? What sort of rights are they afforded? Do they havve any voice in government?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-01-18 08:54pm

The emperor is elected after the other one dies, and his advisor has power until a succsesor is voted in. (Chalen is running for emperor against a weak candidate that has been sabotaged by a CREEP-like organization. He is going to win the election.) there is a senate, but Chalen will probably disband the senate once his power is secure.

The senate and the populace is behind him, because they all think it was the TSC who murdered the emperor and the independant Krytos News Network is slowly being turned into an ISN-esq propaganda machine.

And I probably will play as at least a small faction of the resistance. (I've always wanted to duel with myself....I know the opposition will be challanging.)

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2004-01-18 09:08pm

Thirdfain:n The convoys with humanitarian aid, do you want them to come in now?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-18 09:09pm

Sure. Desjardins and Jacob's Landing were both only burned on one side, so there's lots of civilians in need of help on the un-hit sides of the planets.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-01-18 10:10pm

Thirdfain:

I think the PRC fleet arrived AFTER I razed coventry. I'm not sure how they got a signal off to warn you.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2004-01-18 10:21pm

Darksider wrote:Thirdfain:

I think the PRC fleet arrived AFTER I razed coventry. I'm not sure how they got a signal off to warn you.

You never razed Coventry. According to your last post on the subject there is still active resistance there.

In any case, they don't exactly need a warning that the PRC is going to hit Osiris. I've known that since yesterday. Anyone with the slightest bit of insight into current events should have been able to tell the exact time and place of the next Cornerian attack with ease.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-01-18 11:30pm

Thirdfain wrote:Sure. Desjardins and Jacob's Landing were both only burned on one side, so there's lots of civilians in need of help on the un-hit sides of the planets.

Actually... Jacob's Landing didn't get burned very much, I think, unless you have massive amounts of major governmental offices there.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-01-18 11:43pm

Oh, Thirdfain. Where are your shipyards located?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-18 11:53pm

I have Dreadnought slips over Maharashtra and Desjardins, though the ones over Maharashtra are secret. I have Heavy Cruiser/Light Cruiser/Escort Carrier slips over Desjardins, Togo Station, Osiris, Mutsu, and Harbinger, and Frigate and Destroyer slips over pretty much every major colony of the Commonwealth. Major civilian yards are over Desjardins, Jacob's Landing, and Mutsu, with many smaller yards across the Commonwealth.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-19 12:10am

Beowulf-

The sensors can pick out fleet movements as big as yours as far as 15 minutes out, and I have a squadron of scouts tailing your fleet. They would have seen the decoy launches.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-01-19 12:17am

Thirdfain wrote:Beowulf-

The sensors can pick out fleet movements as big as yours as far as 15 minutes out, and I have a squadron of scouts tailing your fleet. They would have seen the decoy launches.

So far you seem to have been picking up the gravitational disturbances that a folddrive makes during emergence. The shorter the jump, the less time there is for those to show up, right? And it's been fairly consistantly 10 minutes at most.

As to the scouts, did they really follow me through an enemy fleet? The best your scouts could have done is try to track the decoys leaving, considering there are limits to what sorts of sensors you could put on a scout ship, and Coventry System Command lost most of it's sensors when Darksider invaded.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-19 12:21am

As to the scouts, did they really follow me through an enemy fleet? The best your scouts could have done is try to track the decoys leaving, considering there are limits to what sorts of sensors you could put on a scout ship, and Coventry System Command lost most of it's sensors when Darksider invaded.

A fleet as large as yours is hardly quiet. The scouts could track the Cornerian fleet from the edge of the system- they would be able to see the missile launches, and the subsequent foldspace disturbances, and note that there is still a massive Cornerian fleet in-system, and figure that the launch was decoys.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-01-19 12:28am

Thirdfain wrote:
As to the scouts, did they really follow me through an enemy fleet? The best your scouts could have done is try to track the decoys leaving, considering there are limits to what sorts of sensors you could put on a scout ship, and Coventry System Command lost most of it's sensors when Darksider invaded.
A fleet as large as yours is hardly quiet. The scouts could track the Cornerian fleet from the edge of the system- they would be able to see the missile launches, and the subsequent foldspace disturbances, and note that there is still a massive Cornerian fleet in-system, and figure that the launch was decoys.

You're still missing the fact that so far you've only been able to track the reentry signature of my fleet.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 12:31am

LOL. A coup in which EVERY SINGLE person loyal to the Emperor was killed would be so massive there would be no hiding it.

On the contrary, if the majority of people were loyal to the office rather than the official then it's possible enough. The vast majority of any government is loyal simply to the office and doesn't worry too much about the office holder. That's how any number of dictators have gotten their start.

If he framed you up well enough most people would support them more or less reflexively.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-19 12:34am

Look- You launch missile-drones at Osiris. The Osiris defenses pick up the distortion immediatly. It's a long way to Osiris from Coventry, which is in the Harbinger March, a border province.

The scouts watching your fleet see you launch the missile-drones, and get Command on the line. The attack is going to fall somewhere else. The fleet gets to the jumpgates, and when your true target is revealed, the ships hit the gates.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-19 12:37am

On the contrary, if the majority of people were loyal to the office rather than the official then it's possible enough. The vast majority of any government is loyal simply to the office and doesn't worry too much about the office holder. That's how any number of dictators have gotten their start.

If he framed you up well enough most people would support them more or less reflexively.

How good a frame could it be? Commonwealth weapons are used across the Galactic East, and the Krytos government and the Commonwealth have always had fairly cordial relations, even following the collapse of the Alliance.

Popular opinion is probably looking pretty nicely on the Commonwealth, and quite badly on the Azegart and the Cornerians, against whom many of the soldiers in the Navy have made war.

The story is pretty ephemeral, and once people start poking holes in it, there will be resistance.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 12:37am

The problem is, as Beowulf said, you've only tracked him on entry and exit. That's a far cry from real time tracking.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-01-19 12:42am

Thirdfain wrote:Look- You launch missile-drones at Osiris. The Osiris defenses pick up the distortion immediatly. It's a long way to Osiris from Coventry, which is in the Harbinger March, a border province.

The scouts watching your fleet see you launch the missile-drones, and get Command on the line. The attack is going to fall somewhere else. The fleet gets to the jumpgates, and when your true target is revealed, the ships hit the gates.

They manifestly do not pick up the distortion immediately. If they had, then the initial attack on Desjardins would have had the distortion picked up earlier. If the scouts park on the edge of the system, then they would have alot of disturbances to deal with, including your own defence forces, and Darksider's fleet, as the myriad bits that make up the system. If you had truly been able to find this out immediately, then why did you send your fleet to Osiris in the first place?

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-01-19 12:47am

Thirdfain wrote:Popular opinion is probably looking pretty nicely on the Commonwealth, and quite badly on the Azegart and the Cornerians, against whom many of the soldiers in the Navy have made war.

The story is pretty ephemeral, and once people start poking holes in it, there will be resistance.

But the Krytos haven't fought against the Cornerians. And Navy personnel are not refered to as soldiers. That is for the Army. Navy would be referred to as sailors or spacemen, most likely.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-01-19 12:47am

Remind me again why this war started in the first place?