STGOD2 OOC Thread

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2004-01-19 12:57am

Crayz9000 wrote:Remind me again why this war started in the first place?

Azegart emperor returned from wherever he was hiding, wanted his empire back. That issue is now resolved, so the only reason why they're still fighting is to avenge the billions killed at Desjardins.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-01-19 12:58am

Right, I meant why is the TSC getting its ass kicked? Just the way it was posturing or something?

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-01-19 01:07am

Because the PRC feels like giving the TSC an asskicking? Something to do with backstabbing...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 01:10am

Raxmei wrote:
Crayz9000 wrote:Remind me again why this war started in the first place?
Azegart emperor returned from wherever he was hiding, wanted his empire back. That issue is now resolved, so the only reason why they're still fighting is to avenge the billions killed at Desjardins.

Not quite. The Azegart Emperor has not returned from hiding. Though now that the issue is settled he probably will.

What happened was the PRC and the Affront used the ships that escaped Thirdfain, and those purchased from you (Crayz) to try and retake the portion of the Empire held by Thirdfain (the others pulled out or promised too).

Crayz9000 wrote:Right, I meant why is the TSC getting its ass kicked? Just the way it was posturing or something?

Mostly because the PRC decided to go all out. And the TSC so far hasn't been able to stop it.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 01:14am

How good a frame could it be? Commonwealth weapons are used across the Galactic East, and the Krytos government and the Commonwealth have always had fairly cordial relations, even following the collapse of the Alliance.

The common availability of it doesn't mean much one way or the other.

And how the Krytos public opinion of how relations are might well be different of that. The reasons they left might make for some bad blood.

Not to mention the way you've treated allies and neutrals doesn't help your case.

Popular opinion is probably looking pretty nicely on the Commonwealth, and quite badly on the Azegart and the Cornerians, against whom many of the soldiers in the Navy have made war.

That depends. A lot of them might not care.

The story is pretty ephemeral, and once people start poking holes in it, there will be resistance.

It isn't a solid case. But with a bit of manipulation and a little public apathy it could work.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2004-01-19 01:18am

I'm a bit surprised that they're doing this to the TSC and not Stuart Corp. Against Stuart they could actually have some claim to a moral high ground.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 01:28am

Raxmei wrote:I'm a bit surprised that they're doing this to the TSC and not Stuart Corp. Against Stuart they could actually have some claim to a moral high ground.

You're missing the point of the war. It was to take back the Empire, only The Commonwealth was actually trying to hold onto it. Hence, the attack. The problem is, like most wars, it escalated.

As for the Stuart Corp actions, they might well seek legal redress for that (and the enormous amount of dead it would leave.) But they're dead and the Empire isn't exactly one to cry over the broken egss for their omlet.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-01-19 02:23am

Too much to do, not enough time to do it.

Stormbringer is temporarily in control of the PRC. He has my plans for it. I'll see you guys (much) later.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 02:31am

Beowulf wrote:Too much to do, not enough time to do it.

Stormbringer is temporarily in control of the PRC. He has my plans for it. I'll see you guys (much) later.

Okay, I'm aware of the plans and I'll be happy to carry them out.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-19 05:53am

I could have handled the PRC/Dunlap/Azegart alliance by itself, especially considering I was working parallel with the Black Alliance and Outworld Alliance and recieving money and weapons from the CD-RoM, but when the Krytos and the Affront added theri weight to it, there wasn't much left for me to do.

The Commonwealth is hugely outnumbered at this point, and the PRC wants annexed territory. I'm not gonna give it easy, but without more foreign help, I'll lose. I just don't have enough ships to hold my enemies off.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-01-19 07:50am

[quote="Stormbringer]As for the Stuart Corp actions, they might well seek legal redress for that (and the enormous amount of dead it would leave.) But they're dead and the Empire isn't exactly one to cry over the broken egss for their omlet.[/quote]
You're welcome to try

Though I doubt someone in the government will care

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 12:49pm

Thirdfain wrote:Poor batards, neutral powers are fickin next, unless Commmonwealth holds. They need a strong front to guard them,, 3 of em alone wwon't hold off this jugernaut.

Phhhttt. Who exactly was it that was gobbling up neighbors and "allies" territory left and right? I seem to remember it was you that tried to push your allies into war.

The reason this war started was you refused to negotiate freedom for the territories you occupied. We're not a bunch of expansionist maniacs and there's no reason for us to try.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-19 12:56pm

Dude, the Grand empire of Brisbane was an awful, terrorist state which threatened freedom across the southern UTR territories. It needed invading, and after I finished off there, the remaining local nations were left be.

And it's true I would have gone to war with the PRC when the GA existed, If I could, but once it became clear that the rest of the GA wasn't interested, I acceded to their wishes.

As for the reasons for this war, it was inevitable. Too much bad blood between the PRC, the Azegart, and the Commonwealth. I would have opposed ANY attempts at expansion by the PRC at that point, because I was pretty sure they were working to oppose me. I'm scared shitless of the possible power bloc that could form in the Galactic East, and they have already proven to be pretty frightening and awful people.

Say what you will about the Commonwealth, but they invade to unite and control, not destroy, and they follow laws of war. The same can not be said for the PRC.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 01:42pm

Dude, the Grand empire of Brisbane was an awful, terrorist state which threatened freedom across the southern UTR territories. It needed invading, and after I finished off there, the remaining local nations were left be.

Sure, it was.

And it's true I would have gone to war with the PRC when the GA existed, If I could, but once it became clear that the rest of the GA wasn't interested, I acceded to their wishes.

But not before making the best possible efforts to drag them into war; a war which no doubt would have hurt them badly.

As for the reasons for this war, it was inevitable. Too much bad blood between the PRC, the Azegart, and the Commonwealth. I would have opposed ANY attempts at expansion by the PRC at that point, because I was pretty sure they were working to oppose me. I'm scared shitless of the possible power bloc that could form in the Galactic East, and they have already proven to be pretty frightening and awful people.

Actually, I think you've seriously overestimated the agression levels, at least on this side. We opposed you, but mostly because you were the most serious threat out there. After what you did in the opening moves you simply weren't to be trusted.

I for one wouldn't have gone to war had it not been necessary.

Say what you will about the Commonwealth, but they invade to unite and control, not destroy, and they follow laws of war. The same can not be said for the PRC.

Unite and control, primarily against the the controllees will.

As for laws of war, the PRC hasn't violated any existing treaties. No one outlawed BDZs or superweapons in time of war.

Now if we were to set up something like the old fashioned conventions on sieges and sign them into law that might be worthwhile. But as it is, there is no conventions. (And need I remind you that your allies have done as much damage as the PRC).

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 01:44pm

And Thirdfain, we need to settle the drone issue once and for all.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-01-19 01:53pm

As the non-involved party, I'm quite opposed to this 'PRC folds in, shoots the planet, leaves, no one can stop them' stuff. It's boring, it's dull, and it's annoying when I rather specifically mentioned superweapons are vunerable(Why do you think I only bring mine out when the resistance is minimal?).

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 02:04pm

I'm not saying it will continue that way forever. But both sides are busy in other peoples backyards and serious overextended. Hunting them down simply out to involve the effort to bring them to heel.

And I don't like the idea of it being done with a capability Thirdfain never had before. He certainly couldn't track the PRC before otherwise Beowulf's suprises never would have been.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-01-19 03:00pm

Until now, I've never had scoutships tracking the Peep vessels. Now that I am following them, bringing instruments closer to their fleet and watching their moves, I am able to track them properly.

And as for overextension, I have almost half my fleet (roughly 40%, plus heavy planetary defenses) deployed against the Peeps.

Sure, it was.

Well, it was! They BDZed the Uktena Empire, invaded Nova Moscow- they were not nice people. There was plenty of reason for us to invade.

But not before making the best possible efforts to drag them into war; a war which no doubt would have hurt them badly.

-shrug- that was their choice to make, and they made it. I presented my case, and they rejected it. Besides, beating the PRC early would have helped EVERYONE. the AU is an example of a nation which would have benefitted HEAVILY from sticking wiht the Grand Alliance, and even from war with the PRC.

Actually, I think you've seriously overestimated the agression levels, at least on this side. We opposed you, but mostly because you were the most serious threat out there. After what you did in the opening moves you simply weren't to be trusted.

I for one wouldn't have gone to war had it not been necessary.

You didn't need to go to war- if all the vessels invading TSC space were in the Azegart Empire right now, the situation would be resolved. Now, with 25 billion dead and more coming from orbital bombardment, the situation has changed. The Commonwealth has no chance, now, of surrendering peaceably.

Unite and control, primarily against the the controllees will.

Heh heh. SO far I've stuck to invading only the nastiest local powers, the ones where public support will be easy to change once the despots are out of power. Those more palatable regimes continue their independence in the Free States Union.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-01-19 04:02pm

SirNitram wrote:As the non-involved party, I'm quite opposed to this 'PRC folds in, shoots the planet, leaves, no one can stop them' stuff. It's boring, it's dull, and it's annoying when I rather specifically mentioned superweapons are vunerable(Why do you think I only bring mine out when the resistance is minimal?).

I have a perfect counter in the works for that sort of hit/run tactic.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2004-01-19 04:03pm

Dahak wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:As for the Stuart Corp actions, they might well seek legal redress for that (and the enormous amount of dead it would leave.) But they're dead and the Empire isn't exactly one to cry over the broken egss for their omlet.
You're welcome to try
Though I doubt someone in the government will care

There are ways of making a government care. Assuming that the Azegart and their allies survive in any shape to go after you later (which is a definite possibility), they will. You'd be better of negotiating when they do, trust me.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-01-19 04:05pm

Crayz9000 wrote:I have a perfect counter in the works for that sort of hit/run tactic.

The Kzin plan to counter that tactic by massacring without mercy the citizens of any state that attempts to use it against planets in the Patriarchy.

If you happen to come up with a more effective means than deterrence, the Patriarch would of course pay handsomely for it.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-01-19 04:48pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:If you happen to come up with a more effective means than deterrence, the Patriarch would of course pay handsomely for it.

Well, it is a sort of deterrance.

Of course, retribution is still always a really nice thing to have as a backup.

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » 2004-01-19 05:02pm

If superweapons, or weapons of mass destructions are used on the UTR we will respond in kind instantly. This would most likely involve the use of SLAM or SLAM-II.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 05:39pm

Until now, I've never had scoutships tracking the Peep vessels. Now that I am following them, bringing instruments closer to their fleet and watching their moves, I am able to track them properly.

But the fact remains you never were able to detect the ships until they broke transit. There's no reason at all you'd be able to track them reliably now, scout ships or not.

And as for overextension, I have almost half my fleet (roughly 40%, plus heavy planetary defenses) deployed against the Peeps.

Yes, but you've also got how many people after you?

Well, it was! They BDZed the Uktena Empire, invaded Nova Moscow- they were not nice people. There was plenty of reason for us to invade.

Whatever you say.

-shrug- that was their choice to make, and they made it. I presented my case, and they rejected it. Besides, beating the PRC early would have helped EVERYONE. the AU is an example of a nation which would have benefitted HEAVILY from sticking wiht the Grand Alliance, and even from war with the PRC.

Not necessarily. The Aquarians had you occupying a third of their nation and were likely to be hardest hit in any new war. And you can be sure that the Commonwealth would benefit most, at the price of it's allies blood.

You didn't need to go to war- if all the vessels invading TSC space were in the Azegart Empire right now, the situation would be resolved. Now, with 25 billion dead and more coming from orbital bombardment, the situation has changed. The Commonwealth has no chance, now, of surrendering peaceably.

True, but at the time the idea was to win it back as cheaply as possible but the plan went awry. And for that matter, the Commonwealth can surrender peacefully. I'm sure that the rest of the nation would assure a safe and reasonable peace was enforced. And in fact a reasonable peace could be worked out if you wish it to be so.

Heh heh. SO far I've stuck to invading only the nastiest local powers, the ones where public support will be easy to change once the despots are out of power. Those more palatable regimes continue their independence in the Free States Union.

But none the less you're the one expanded at your neighbors expense.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 06:07pm

Crayz, three weeks for a fucking superlaser? You've got to be shitting me.