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Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 06:05pm

revprez wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
revprez wrote:Is it a cultural thing on this board to presume other posters are questioning the accuracy of your remarks all the time?
Are you capable of discussing any subject without using the "appeal to motive" fallacy against those you disagree with?
Are you capable of seeing any exchange on this board as anything but an argument? I've got any number of substantive posts in this thread and you harp on the one that is just a friendly point of order. Jesus, what the hell is your problem anyway?

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You're a moron? The board is for a debates and if you post in subjects for debate then why the fuck are you whining when you get it?

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-19 06:34pm

Stormbringer wrote:You're a moron?

And you're an acceptance whore? We've been fairly civil thus far, though.

The board is for a debates and if you post in subjects for debate then why the fuck are you whining when you get it?

Hey, knife said he wanted to see action taken against NK if they don't comply in ten years. I agreed with him. Knife thought I disagreed. I cleared it up and asked a question about culture here.

Carry on, son

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Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 10:04pm

And you're an acceptance whore? We've been fairly civil thus far, though.

Now do you have to be mean, you asked why we have a problem with you. I explained, if the words I used were too big I could go back and give you the easy reader version.

Hey, knife said he wanted to see action taken against NK if they don't comply in ten years. I agreed with him. Knife thought I disagreed. I cleared it up and asked a question about culture here.

Good for you.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-19 10:12pm

Stormbringer wrote:Now do you have to be mean, you asked why we have a problem with you.

No, I asked what was your problem. Before that, I asked a question about board culture, the way people present themselves through their posts here. These are simple enough questions.

I explained, if the words I used were too big I could go back and give you the easy reader version.

Please do, if you must.

Good for you.

Great. Carry on, son.

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Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 10:23pm

No, I asked what was your problem. Before that, I asked a question about board culture, the way people present themselves through their posts here. These are simple enough questions.

Our problem is your idiotic behaviour. For some one that's gone to MIT you have a poor grasp on basic logic. That why people have ceased to cut you any slack.

Please do, if you must.

You=the stupid

Great. Carry on, son.

You know, that isn't helping you any, dumbass.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-19 10:35pm

revprez wrote:Are you capable of seeing any exchange on this board as anything but an argument?

When you're involved, no. Are your social skills really so horrible that you can't figure out why so many people here hate you? Do you honestly think it's just because you're Christian?

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-19 10:59pm

Darth Wong wrote:
revprez wrote:Are you capable of seeing any exchange on this board as anything but an argument?
When you're involved, no. Are your social skills really so horrible that you can't figure out why so many people here hate you? Do you honestly think it's just because you're Christian?

No, I think its because I'm a conservative Christian Republican who isn't likely to vote for an atheist in a Presidential election.

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revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-19 11:00pm

Stormbringer wrote:Our problem is your idiotic behaviour. For some one that's gone to MIT you have a poor grasp on basic logic. That why people have ceased to cut you any slack.

Assertion without evidence. My reading of the discussion is I've demonstrated a consistent adherence to the parameters of rational discussion.

You=the stupid

Feel better?

You know, that isn't helping you any, dumbass.

I didn't asked to be liked.

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Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-19 11:04pm

Assertion without evidence. My reading of the discussion is I've demonstrated a consistent adherence to the parameters of rational discussion.

If that lets you sleep at night....

Feel better?

No, but if you went out and jumped in front of a speeding bus I might.

I didn't asked to be liked.

And don't worry, you're in no danger of it now.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-19 11:25pm

Stormbringer wrote:No, but if you went out and jumped in front of a speeding bus I might.

Right back atchya....

And don't worry, you're in no danger of it now.

Cool...

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Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-19 11:38pm

revprez wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
revprez wrote:Are you capable of seeing any exchange on this board as anything but an argument?
When you're involved, no. Are your social skills really so horrible that you can't figure out why so many people here hate you? Do you honestly think it's just because you're Christian?
No, I think its because I'm a conservative Christian Republican who isn't likely to vote for an atheist in a Presidential election.

Even other Christians don't like you, dumb-ass. You really don't get it, do you? Your online persona is not just combative (hardly an unusual trait) but highly evasive. When confronted with arguments that you find daunting, you simply ignore them or misrepresent them, consistently. That's why every argument involving you tends to go around in circles, because you simply refuse to let go of a strawman misrepresentation of your opponent's argument in any given discussion, no matter how many times it is pointed out by any number of people.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-20 01:20am

Darth Wong wrote:Even other Christians don't like you, dumb-ass.

Really? That's not what I've heard.

You really don't get it, do you? Your online persona is not just combative (hardly an unusual trait) but highly evasive.

I'm slowly beginning to understand what you mean--not say you mean--by "evasive," thanks to all those Christians "who don't like [me]." I'm trying to tailor my responses in a way you and others will find more satisfying.

When confronted with arguments that you find daunting, you simply ignore them or misrepresent them, consistently.

Your characterization, not mine.

That's why every argument involving you tends to go around in circles, because you simply refuse to let go of a strawman misrepresentation of your opponent's argument in any given discussion, no matter how many times it is pointed out by any number of people.

That's funny coming from a guy who had to be correct twice on my argument in the "Is Science 'Evil'" thread. Oh, and appeal to popularity.

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SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-01-20 01:33pm

It's a statement of fact, not an appeal to popularity to say that your debating tactics have been critized over and over again by many different people.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-20 01:49pm

revprez wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Even other Christians don't like you, dumb-ass.
Really? That's not what I've heard.

I'm Christian. I fucking hate your guts. Not only do you make the reasonable among us look bad, but you're a fucking idiot to boot.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-20 02:01pm

Howedar wrote:I'm Christian. I fucking hate your guts.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Matthew 22:37-40

Not only do you make the reasonable among us look bad...

How do I reflect on you? Why is it after all this time on this board you're still being characterized by the actions and words of others who share your beliefs?

....but you're a fucking idiot to boot.

I'd have to disagree.

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revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-20 02:03pm

SyntaxVorlon wrote:It's a statement of fact, not an appeal to popularity to say that your debating tactics have been critized over and over again by many different people.

Well, that's an honest statement, but to say that my technique is something because people say its something is...well...something else entirely. Either way, it can't be all that hard for somebody to view all my posts and survey every mistake I've made.

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revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-20 02:07pm

But that's enough about me...how'bout the topic?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-20 02:11pm

revprez wrote:That's funny coming from a guy who had to be correct twice on my argument in the "Is Science 'Evil'" thread.

"Tu Quoque" fallacy. BTW, that's a good example of what I'm talking about. You keep acting as though I am misrepresenting your argument simply because I don't agree with it. I responded only to a particular set of posts in that thread, not the entire thread. The fact that I didn't address everything you said in the thread is totally irrelevant.

Oh, and appeal to popularity.

Wrong. The subject of this particular discussion tangent is the fact that you piss people off. Pointing out that you piss people off is hardly irrelevant.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-20 02:33pm

Darth Wong wrote:"Tu Quoque" fallacy.

True, it was a cheap shot.

BTW, that's a good example of what I'm talking about. You keep acting as though I am misrepresenting your argument simply because I don't agree with it.

I don't know why you're misrepresenting my argument.

I responded only to a particular set of posts in that thread, not the entire thread. The fact that I didn't address everything you said in the thread is totally irrelevant.

Well, I don't expect you to.

Wrong. The subject of this particular discussion tangent is the fact that you piss people off. Pointing out that you piss people off is hardly irrelevant.

Your specific claim that my arguments are irrational because people say they are is an appeal to popularity.

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Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-20 02:35pm

revprez wrote:Your specific claim that my arguments are irrational because people say they are is an appeal to popularity.

Link to the post where I have made that claim.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-20 02:40pm

Darth Wong wrote:That's why every argument involving you tends to go around in circles, because you simply refuse to let go of a strawman misrepresentation of your opponent's argument in any given discussion, no matter how many times it is pointed out by any number of people.

It's just a few posts above this one.

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Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-20 02:42pm

revprez wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:That's why every argument involving you tends to go around in circles, because you simply refuse to let go of a strawman misrepresentation of your opponent's argument in any given discussion, no matter how many times it is pointed out by any number of people.
It's just a few posts above this one.

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Learn to read, asshole. Nowhere in that statement does it claim that your arguments are irrational because people think so. It states that your arguments are irrational (using the example of a thread in which you consistently misrepresented "most rational explanation" as "guaranteed true"), and that people have repeatedly tried to point this out to you.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-20 02:47pm

Darth Wong wrote:Learn to read, asshole. Nowhere in that statement does it claim that your arguments are irrational because people think so. It states that your arguments are irrational (using the example of a thread in which you consistently misrepresented "most rational explanation" as "guaranteed true"), and that people have repeatedly tried to point this out to you.

Granted, I withdraw my objection. Now prove that my posts are grossly irrational.

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Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-20 03:00pm

revprez wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Learn to read, asshole. Nowhere in that statement does it claim that your arguments are irrational because people think so. It states that your arguments are irrational (using the example of a thread in which you consistently misrepresented "most rational explanation" as "guaranteed true"), and that people have repeatedly tried to point this out to you.
Granted, I withdraw my objection.

Fair enough.

Now prove that my posts are grossly irrational.

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A quick glance at your reaction to this post will convince anyone of that.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-20 03:31pm

Darth Wong wrote:A quick glance at your reaction to this post will convince anyone of that.

I don't see how. But that's what we're debating over there, right?

BTW, is there any chance we can return to civility? Or am I just a moron (well, idiot) from here on out? Just curious.

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