Official 2004 State of the Union Address Thread

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-20 11:07pm

Also, did anyone catch Hillary Clinton joyously applauding tort reform? She's on her way to becoming a regular black sheep.

Also, the look on Nancy Pelosi's face is really freaking me out. I feel like she's staring directly into my soul.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-01-20 11:08pm

How in the fuck are we supposed to inspect 100% of the shipping containers entering the United States?

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-01-20 11:08pm

Joe wrote:Also, did anyone catch Hillary Clinton joyously applauding tort reform? She's on her way to becoming a regular black sheep.

Also, the look on Nancy Pelosi's face is really freaking me out. I feel like she's staring directly into my soul.

From Vodkapundit

I'm right now watching Hillary Clinton applaud tort reform for medical lawsuits.

Either she's really moving to the center -- which would explain the lack of lightning bolts, earth not opening to swallow her whole, etc. -- or god doesn't watch the news.

On a similar note, they caught Charles Rangel napping.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-20 11:11pm

RedImperator wrote:How in the fuck are we supposed to inspect 100% of the shipping containers entering the United States?

The same way we're supposed to deal with the steroid problem, I guess.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-01-20 11:11pm

Why not use SS money to pay for the tax cuts? You guys sure as hell use it for everything else!

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-20 11:12pm

kojikun wrote:
Knife wrote:There is nothing against it in protocal but they do tend to be more reserved than the politicians.
Yeah but these guys just looked.. "feh.."

You have to understand. Your trained to sit with your feet at a 45 degree angle and a straight back. Your trained not to make a big comotion or jump around like dorks. I've seen them clap in various speechs they were at, they just never look like their having a good time.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-20 11:15pm

Alex Moon wrote:Why not use SS money to pay for the tax cuts? You guys sure as hell use it for everything else!

*golf clap*

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-20 11:18pm

Bravo to Tom Daschle, for saving the Democratic Response from Nancy Pelosi's soul-consuming gaze.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-01-20 11:18pm

I'm disappointed that he wants to renew the PATRIOT act. I'm also mystified that he's saying that the Iraqi Governing council is drafting a free constitution and bill of rights, particular since we just heard that GC wants to put Iraq under the Sharia. Plus, the continued references to WMD programs. You'd think he'd want to avoid that subject, since they haven't found anything with substance.

Oh, and Joe:

A strong America must also value the institution of marriage. I believe we should respect individuals as we take a principled stand for one of the most fundamental, enduring institutions of our civilization. Congress has already taken a stand on this issue by passing the Defense of Marriage Act, signed in 1996 by President Clinton. That statute protects marriage under Federal law as the union of a man and a woman, and declares that one state may not redefine marriage for other states. Activist judges, however, have begun redefining marriage by court order, without regard for the will of the people and their elected representatives. On an issue of such great consequence, the people's voice must be heard. If judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process. Our Nation must defend the sanctity of marriage.

His latest statement on the issue, meaning it cancels out any contrary statements made before it.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-20 11:19pm

Joe wrote:

Also, the look on Nancy Pelosi's face is really freaking me out. I feel like she's staring directly into my soul.

Dashelle's look is even worse. *shivers*

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-01-20 11:20pm

Knife wrote:
Joe wrote:

Also, the look on Nancy Pelosi's face is really freaking me out. I feel like she's staring directly into my soul.
Dashelle's look is even worse. *shivers*

"WERE GOING TO SUCK YOUR SOUL!

...give us your credit cards."

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-01-20 11:22pm

I think we should be a missle to the world. A LOVE MISSLE.

Ladies, this sucker's made in America.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-20 11:22pm

Whatever. I'm still convinced he's not ready to force an amendment. I'd like to see what Andrew Sullivan has to say about it.

Also, interesting slip by Kerry "...we must protect the marriage penalty..."

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2004-01-20 11:24pm

Alex Moon wrote:I think we should be a missle to the world. A LOVE MISSLE.

Ladies, this sucker's made in America.

Doesn't every man have their own Love Missile already?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-20 11:24pm

Knife wrote:I hope that doesn't mean some bull shit try at an amendment for marrage.

You can't honestly tell me that this comes as a surprise to you. This fucker has been a "church over state" proponent since Day One. Everyone knows it, everyone's been saying it.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-01-20 11:25pm

Joe wrote:Whatever. I'm still convinced he's not ready to force an amendment. I'd like to see what Andrew Sullivan has to say about it.

Also, interesting slip by Kerry "...we must protect the marriage penalty..."

Read his statement. He said that if state courts continue legalizing gay marriage, he said that the "only alternative" was a Constitutional amendment. To define the Sanctity of Marriage. Appearantly, the "necessary" condition from his previous statement is if state courts keep going again DoMA.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-01-20 11:26pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
Alex Moon wrote:I think we should be a missle to the world. A LOVE MISSLE.

Ladies, this sucker's made in America.
Doesn't every man have their own Love Missile already?

We need more! We cannot allow a missle gap!

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-20 11:27pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Knife wrote:I hope that doesn't mean some bull shit try at an amendment for marrage.
You can't honestly tell me that this comes as a surprise to you. This fucker has been a "church over state" proponent since Day One. Everyone knows it, everyone's been saying it.

Yeah, but so far I've comforted my self by saying that it is just political pandering and stroking the far right with the fundie shit. Bush speaks a good fundie thing but rarely acts on it, though I see the fundie charity funding has reared its head again.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-01-20 11:32pm

Knife wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Knife wrote:I hope that doesn't mean some bull shit try at an amendment for marrage.
You can't honestly tell me that this comes as a surprise to you. This fucker has been a "church over state" proponent since Day One. Everyone knows it, everyone's been saying it.
Yeah, but so far I've comforted my self by saying that it is just political pandering and stroking the far right with the fundie shit. Bush speaks a good fundie thing but rarely acts on it, though I see the fundie charity funding has reared its head again.

Kerry and the others aren't likely to stand up for gay marriage unfortunately.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-20 11:34pm

Dean would stand up for civil unions, but he hasn't gone so far as to say he would support marriage.

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2004-01-20 11:47pm

I thought it was a solid speech. I also appreciated that Bush dealt with a number of issues in a broad range, although my father was still put out by the amount of time devoted to national security issues.

I was enthused by the President’s reading the list of Coalition members, and despite the time it takes, I rather wished he’d finished the final seventeen. It’s good that he made a big deal about the fact that we still have considerable support on the international stage.

As everybody here doubtless already knows, I also support faith-based service organizations. Let’s admit it: most Americans are religious and will thus feel somewhat more comfortable looking in that direction anyway, and as long as service organizations do not discriminate, it’s still a free meal or cot for the night, preaching or no.

If I had to make criticisms, they would be as follows …

First of all, Bush appeared to mispronounce the word “nuclear” on purpose. He didn’t need to do this to prove the point that dialect or mispronunciation don’t make or break a leader.

Second, I don’t support his position on the teaching of Abstinence. While I do respect that some parents wish to discuss reproduction in their own time, most public schools already reveal the “secrets” of sexual reproduction in the fifth grade classroom. What they also need to do is keep students fully knowledgeable about options once they do have sex – because they are. Abstinence is laudable – but never alone.

Third, he needn’t make so many references to America as civilization. It unnecessarily calls into comparison America and its terrorism enemies, virtually all of which are Arab Muslims whose sympathizers are already on the defensive. We don’t need to give them more ammunition with which to insist we mean to erase all of Islam from the world.

Fourth, he could do to remove God from his speeches save as a closer. It just makes more people feel better; most people won’t miss it, but they will resent it when it shows up.

Fifth, his position on gay marriage is ridiculous. Church is separate from state, and laws should not be made on Biblical grounds. Unlike letting a church give aid, this isn’t practical. Nobody can prove that homosexual relationships spread disease. There is no reasonable grounds to deny marriage to all Americans.

Aside from these five factors, I liked the speech very much and still consider Bush to be the best candidate.

I agree that Pelosi has ridiculously bulging eyes and that Tom Daschale could put the Sandman to sleep. The Democarts' arguments have more holes than Bush's, starting with their unreasonable expectations about foreign relations.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-21 12:00am

Axis Kast wrote:As everybody here doubtless already knows, I also support faith-based service organizations. Let’s admit it: most Americans are religious and will thus feel somewhat more comfortable looking in that direction anyway, and as long as service organizations do not discriminate, it’s still a free meal or cot for the night, preaching or no.

"Appeal to popularity" fallacy.

First of all, Bush appeared to mispronounce the word “nuclear” on purpose. He didn’t need to do this to prove the point that dialect or mispronunciation don’t make or break a leader.

Why do you think he did it on purpose, rather than doing it because he can't speak English?

Second, I don’t support his position on the teaching of Abstinence. While I do respect that some parents wish to discuss reproduction in their own time, most public schools already reveal the “secrets” of sexual reproduction in the fifth grade classroom. What they also need to do is keep students fully knowledgeable about options once they do have sex – because they are. Abstinence is laudable – but never alone.

Agreed.

Third, he needn’t make so many references to America as civilization. It unnecessarily calls into comparison America and its terrorism enemies, virtually all of which are Arab Muslims whose sympathizers are already on the defensive. We don’t need to give them more ammunition with which to insist we mean to erase all of Islam from the world.

He equates America to civilization? What are the rest of the first-world nations, then?

Fourth, he could do to remove God from his speeches save as a closer. It just makes more people feel better; most people won’t miss it, but they will resent it when it shows up.

Agreed.

Fifth, his position on gay marriage is ridiculous. Church is separate from state, and laws should not be made on Biblical grounds. Unlike letting a church give aid, this isn’t practical. Nobody can prove that homosexual relationships spread disease. There is no reasonable grounds to deny marriage to all Americans.

Agreed.

Aside from these five factors, I liked the speech very much and still consider Bush to be the best candidate.

What about the fact that his free-spending ways make Bill Clinton look like Scrooge?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-21 12:04am

Why do you think he did it on purpose, rather than doing it because he can't speak English?

Maintain the good ol' boy image, simply trying to spite people don't like it.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-21 12:04am

Joe wrote:
Why do you think he did it on purpose, rather than doing it because he can't speak English?
Maintain the good ol' boy image, simply trying to spite people don't like it.

Ah yes, I forgot. In modern American politics, it's a sin to appear educated.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-21 12:17am

Gil Hamilton wrote:
Joe wrote:Whatever. I'm still convinced he's not ready to force an amendment. I'd like to see what Andrew Sullivan has to say about it.

Also, interesting slip by Kerry "...we must protect the marriage penalty..."
Read his statement. He said that if state courts continue legalizing gay marriage, he said that the "only alternative" was a Constitutional amendment. To define the Sanctity of Marriage. Appearantly, the "necessary" condition from his previous statement is if state courts keep going again DoMA.

Fucker replaces "me and John Ashcroft and our buddies at the First Christ..." with "The People." Fuck that.