Kerry wins Iowa

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-01-20 04:18pm

The Kernel wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:
college kids. part of the 18-21 and 21-24 age demographics.
So what? One could argue that there was another variable that made all of the non-college people in that age group fail to vote.

you do know that this is a moot point due to MoO's supplement to my arguement?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-01-20 04:20pm

Col. Crackpot wrote: you do know that this is a moot point due to MoO's supplement to my arguement?

His article doesn't provide numbers, but it is a moot point to me anyways since I'm well aware of the lack of college kids who vote. What is NOT moot is that your data didn't prove your assertion and now you are trying to defend it for some strange reason.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-01-20 04:53pm

Worthless trolling edited out.
Keep your taunting out of here, Shep.
-Durandal

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-01-20 04:54pm

theski wrote: Dean didn't even carry the young vote..

But he DID win the ultra-liberal AND anti-war vote

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-01-20 05:00pm

Kernal, Crackpot, this bickering is pointless. Since you are both now completely in agreement over the truth of the matter, and the validity of the accusations, there is no longer any reason to continue this aspect of the conversation.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-01-20 05:50pm

Worthless trolling edited out.
Keep your taunting out of here, Shep.
-Durandal

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-20 06:03pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Howedar wrote:You take one caucaus in Iowa, then extrapolate it into a statement about every college student in America. Congratulations, you're an idiot.
no, decades of election data.

the 18-21 and 21-24 demographics have the lowest voter turnout, BY FAR of any other age group.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/agedemog.htm

http://www.fec.gov/pages/agech.jpg

so by not knowing the facts, you are indeed the idiot.

Actually, in your original post you said the "lesson to be learned" from this specific case is that college kids don't vote. I take issue with the idea that one election in Iowa necessarily means jack shit about Dean's support among young people anywhere else (like where I am, where several thousand students showed up to a Dean rally).

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2004-01-20 06:07pm

Worthless trolling edited out.
Keep your taunting out of here, Shep.
-Durandal

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-20 06:23pm

Shep, I wouldn't get too happy. From the perspective of a conservative, Dean's the one who should do the best, since he'd be the easiest to beat in the election.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-20 06:26pm

Actually, you should both be rooting for Kucinich.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-01-20 06:30pm

Howedar wrote:Actually, you should both be rooting for Kucinich.

Na, a hard core communist is where its at. They'd even have a platform, exterminating the deficit forever.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-20 06:57pm

Howedar wrote:Actually, you should both be rooting for Kucinich.

He's a completely unrealistic candidate. Dean's a realistic candidate, despite being an unelectable one.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-01-20 07:05pm

Howedar wrote:Actually, in your original post you said the "lesson to be learned" from this specific case is that college kids don't vote. I take issue with the idea that one election in Iowa necessarily means jack shit about Dean's support among young people anywhere else (like where I am, where several thousand students showed up to a Dean rally).

Let me get this straight: one state-wide election in Iowa means less about Dean's support among young people in other places than your isolated Dean rally?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-20 10:22pm

I'm not extrapolating my experience to cover the whole country, MoO. I'm saying that, if nowhere else, students on my campus are interested.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-21 12:36am

Howedar wrote:I'm not extrapolating my experience to cover the whole country, MoO. I'm saying that, if nowhere else, students on my campus are interested.

But will they vote?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-21 01:04am

Well, granted they had the additional incentive of skipping class *laughs*

But I think so. If they're willing to listen to some boring politician talk for an hour, I think they'll be willing to take ten minutes out of their lives to vote.

KrauserKrauser · Post by **KrauserKrauser** » 2004-01-21 01:04am

Doubtful.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-01-21 01:04am

Snuck over to AZ to meet everyone, did ya? Or are you generalizing again?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-21 01:08am

Howedar wrote:Snuck over to AZ to meet everyone, did ya? Or are you generalizing again?

Like it or not, a lot of those students (even the ones that see them talk) just don't get out and vote.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 01:17am

Stormbringer wrote:
Howedar wrote:Snuck over to AZ to meet everyone, did ya? Or are you generalizing again?
Like it or not, a lot of those students (even the ones that see them talk) just don't get out and vote.

What are numbers on that, anyway?

Rev Prez

CelesKnight · Post by **CelesKnight** » 2004-01-21 01:23am

I heard comment made by a political commendatory in a lull during discussions of the SOTU speech. Apparently, polls take in NH over the weekend showed Kerry with big gains. If true, that would seem to indicate that something has gone wrong with the Dean campaign as a whole, not just in Iowa. I wonder what it was? What strikes me as unusual is that there isn't any one thing that you can point that was the cause. Rather, he seemed to have done a lot of little things wrong recently, each of which is a minor but the combination is fatal.

I would actually like to see Edwards get the nomination. I'm generally a Republican, but Edwards is a candidate that I've been eyeing for several months, but until now I never seriously thought he had a chance.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-21 01:27am

CelesKnight wrote:I heard comment made by a political commendatory in a lull during discussions of the SOTU speech. Apparently, polls take in NH over the weekend showed Kerry with big gains. If true, that would seem to indicate that something has gone wrong with the Dean campaign as a whole, not just in Iowa. I wonder what it was? What strikes me as unusual is that there isn't any one thing that you can point that was the cause. Rather, he seemed to have done a lot of little things wrong recently, each of which is a minor but the combination is fatal.

I would actually like to see Edwards get the nomination. I'm generally a Republican, but Edwards is a candidate that I've been eyeing for several months, but until now I never seriously thought he had a chance.

Maybe the Deaniacs just got so caught up in their own hype bubble that they forget were the voters were.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 01:30am

Joe wrote:Maybe the Deaniacs just got so caught up in their own hype bubble that they forget were the voters were.

Granted, but Iowa's really hard to call in advance. If Dean doesn't come through for me in NH, I'm gonna start sweating bullets. Does anybody know his numbers in the South or where to look?

Rev Prez

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-21 01:33am

I don't know; however, Dean's numbers are probably better than Kerry's Southern numbers, which are just abyssmal.

I still don't see the Dems carrying a single southern state this time around, unless they run Edwards, and even that's questionable.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 01:37am

Joe wrote:I don't know; however, Dean's numbers are probably better than Kerry's Southern numbers, which are just abyssmal.

We're talking about the primary race, right? Maybe Graham should've stayed in.

I still don't see the Dems carrying a single southern state this time around, unless they run Edwards, and even that's questionable.

Lousiana on the outside, maybe Tennessee, but that's about it.

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