More Ten Commandments BS

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-20 09:51pm

Lazy Raptor wrote:That's absurd. But if you're talking about religions that have political power you forgot Judaism for one.

I'm just going by the common definition of major world religion, which to my knowledge is those three religions whose adherents account for just over two thirds of the world's population.

Rev Prez

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-20 11:35pm

Sunday closing laws, anti-pornography laws, anti-prostitution laws, tax exemptions for churches even when they are so wealthy that they would otherwise be on the Fortune 500 list, anti-sodomy laws, religious exemptions from child-abuse laws, etc. All of these are impositions upon personal liberties or exemptions from rules that apply to everyone else which are caused by church influence, despite the constitutional guarantees against it. Without those guarantees, it would be even worse.

You missed the one that really pisses me off. The preacher/client privelage laws. "I'm sorry, what is said in confesion is confidential no matter how illegal it is."

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-20 11:57pm

Knife wrote:
Sunday closing laws, anti-pornography laws, anti-prostitution laws, tax exemptions for churches even when they are so wealthy that they would otherwise be on the Fortune 500 list, anti-sodomy laws, religious exemptions from child-abuse laws, etc. All of these are impositions upon personal liberties or exemptions from rules that apply to everyone else which are caused by church influence, despite the constitutional guarantees against it. Without those guarantees, it would be even worse.
You missed the one that really pisses me off. The preacher/client privelage laws. "I'm sorry, what is said in confesion is confidential no matter how illegal it is."

Do you also object to patient-physician confidentiality? I know you don't recognize the two as related, but as far as the people involved are concerned its about the same thing.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-21 12:02am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Knife wrote:
Sunday closing laws, anti-pornography laws, anti-prostitution laws, tax exemptions for churches even when they are so wealthy that they would otherwise be on the Fortune 500 list, anti-sodomy laws, religious exemptions from child-abuse laws, etc. All of these are impositions upon personal liberties or exemptions from rules that apply to everyone else which are caused by church influence, despite the constitutional guarantees against it. Without those guarantees, it would be even worse.
You missed the one that really pisses me off. The preacher/client privelage laws. "I'm sorry, what is said in confesion is confidential no matter how illegal it is."
Do you also object to patient-physician confidentiality? I know you don't recognize the two as related, but as far as the people involved are concerned its about the same thing.

I don't know about him, but I do. What is the ethical purpose which is served by protecting the privacy of, say, a murderer's confession? Future murderers might not confess to their psychiatrists? Doesn't matter anyway, does it? After all, even if the total number of such confessions were to drop precipitously, the fact that we can gain access to them rather than ignoring them (as per the current system) means that more of them would still go to jail.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 12:34am

Conceded. But murderers who go to confession likely feel too guilty to keep their mouths shut in other places anyway. They'd talk themselves into jail no matter what the priest did, I'd guess a good 90% of the time if not more.

And the priests are more concerned with his immortal soul, the existence of which I'm not going to try and debate with you. I only bring it up to point out their motives. You're not likely to get a priest to talk if he thinks that no one else will come to confession.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-21 02:48am

Rogue 9 wrote: Do you also object to patient-physician confidentiality? I know you don't recognize the two as related, but as far as the people involved are concerned its about the same thing.

No, I don't object to patient-doctor confidentiality. A doc is a professional that is over seeing something tangible, like you health. The clergy uses it as a shield to continue its baiting tactic of confession.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 02:52am

You're assuming that the clergy is composed of con artists. That is simply not the case; the vast majority of them honestly believe what they say. Their motives aren't sinister at all. Now you may think that the motives are misguided, but that's not exactly criminal.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-21 01:35pm

Rogue 9 wrote:You're assuming that the clergy is composed of con artists. That is simply not the case; the vast majority of them honestly believe what they say. Their motives aren't sinister at all. Now you may think that the motives are misguided, but that's not exactly criminal.

No, it has to do with preservation of power. That is the only reason for the clergy/confessor privelage. If the priest doesn't protect what is said the confessor doesn't come back. If the confessor doesn't come back the church doesn't get to save his soul

nor get his tithing or contributions.