Kerry wins Iowa

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-01-21 11:20pm

Such a crude photoshop. Yet so hilarious.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-01-22 12:40am

I think Clark gets his ass handed to him in New Hampshire, frankly, and drops out after getting another whooping on Super Tuesday. I've never bought into Clark as a serious contender, and his non-participation in Iowa hasn't convinced me I'm wrong.

As for Dean, he might win New Hampshire, but I don't know how much of an impact that will have in the long term. New Hampshire gets a lot of attention because it's the first primary, but it's an odd little state that sometimes isn't a very good indication of the mood of the country at large. Dean needs to win New Hampshire after getting clobbered in Iowa, no doubt, but a win there won't guarantee him the nomination, or even an interesting primary fight. Actually, I think an Edwards win in New Hampshire would make for a more interesting Democratic primary than a Dean win.

And here's my prediction: if anyone besides Howard Dean wins New Hampshire, the Dean campaign is finished. Super Tuesday is when the final nails will be hammered in, but losing in Iowa and New Hampshire will destroy his momentum and convince regular Democrats that Howard Dean can't beat Bush. The protests of some of the people in this thread to the contrary, liberal activists and college students can't win a nomination or an election for a candidate by themselves.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-01-22 04:13am

I don't think Dean can win New Hampshire. I think he's finished. His image clearly isn't enough to get the voters to go to him, and between Clark, Gephardt, Kerry, and Edwards the democrats have collectively beaten the shit out of him. None of those candidates was strong enough to defeat him by themselves, but between all of them running against him it took a heavy toll. Now he's moving on to another state without any momentum, and with Kerry, Edwards, and Clark all with considerable advantages over him: Kerry and Edwards with momentum and image, and Clark with image and his focus on New Hampshire. I don't know how Dean can turn this around. His fire-and-brimstone campaign style obviously isn't working with voters, and he can't count on home field advantage because that's shared with his most dangerous opposition.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-01-22 04:16am

Apparently his post-defeat speech has done some serious damage. I saw a clip of it. Scary.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-22 04:16am

Before anybody counts Dean out....

....can anyone tell me how much time Kerry, Edwards and Gephardt spent in Iowa compared to Dean how much time they've conceded to Clark in New Hampshire? Also, can somebody tell me how much local news coverage Kerry and Edwards got out in Iowa?

Rev Prez

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-22 04:20am

Kerry takes lead in Boston Herald poll.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-01-22 07:50am

I know Dean was in Iowa for over a year......The rest... *shrugs*

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-23 08:16pm

Darth Wong wrote:I haven't been following the Democratic nominations process too closely (not my country, after all), but even I'm getting the distinct impression that this "Dean" character has a screw loose.

Much as I dislike him, he doesn't really have a screw loose. He just bought into the hype (which was manfactured by the media more than anything) and flipped out, and flipped out big time, when he lost.

revprez wrote:Kerry takes lead in Boston Herald poll.

Not suprising, and if anything it likely underestimating the returns. Dean's been spending his time on groups that don't get out and vote and it's showed. One poll I saw on those definitely voting put it as Kerry 38% and Dean just 17%.

theski wrote:I know Dean was in Iowa for over a year......The rest... *shrugs*

And look what good it did him.....

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2004-01-24 07:03pm

Anyone know where I can download Dean's speech?

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2004-01-24 07:07pm

Nevermind, found it. Thank God for Google.