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By Lianne Hart Times Staff Writer

KENNEDALE, Texas — It's 2:30 on a Thursday afternoon, and inside a windowless adult video store a dozen people are perusing XXX-rated movie titles. Pastor Jim Norwood surmises this because he has photographed the customers' cars in the parking lot, carefully adjusting his digital camera so that each license plate is in focus.

Each car owner will soon get a postcard in the mail from Norwood's Oakcrest Family Church. On the front will be a color photo of their vehicle in the video store parking lot. On the back will be a note: "Observed you in the neighborhood. Didn't know if you were aware there is a church in the area … please stop by next time. We'd love to have you visit."

Norwood, 56, who says he is a reformed drug abuser on a mission to rid the town of sexually oriented businesses, calls the postcards an "invitation to church."

Steven Swander, a lawyer for an adult business in the area, calls it intimidation. "To me the question is, are they doing it really to communicate their message, or are they trying to blackmail people, in a way, by embarrassing them?" Swander asked.

The distinction matters little to Norwood. "I want these people to know someone is noticing them," he said, chomping on a piece of gum. "If they're going to come to my neighborhood, I have a right to go into theirs."

Norwood's campaign against adult businesses picks up on a theme that began four years ago when Kennedale — a Fort Worth suburb — annexed 58 acres of unincorporated land. With the expansion came five sexually oriented businesses that the city then tried to force out.

The businesses sued in federal court, claiming violations of free expression. Three of the businesses have since settled their claims, agreeing to close, relocate or — in one compromise — add a pizza parlor to dilute the impact of its primary line of business. Tired of the bickering, Norwood and a group of church volunteers last month armed themselves with digital cameras and began patrolling the parking lots of the two businesses still involved in the lawsuit.

At least once a week, a volunteer traces the license plate numbers to the owners of the cars using an online service that searches an automotive database for a fee. In Texas, license information is a matter of public record. So far, 300 postcards have been mailed, Norwood said.

The cost of the program, which could reach $15,000 a year, is covered by donations from local businesses and private individuals, Norwood said. Oakcrest Family Church, located in a ragged neighborhood behind the sexually oriented businesses, could not otherwise afford the expense, he said.

This neglected stretch of auto salvage yards, trailers and rickety wood-frame houses seems at first glance to be sliding into despair. But at one house, someone has resolutely planted a 5-foot wooden cross in the middle of a scraggly lawn; at another house, plastic ducks decorate a freshly swept front porch.

The sound of children's laughter filters from a playground nearby. There is life here, but outsiders don't seem to notice, said Gloria Price, who has lived in the area since 1970. "When we were unincorporated, everything just got dumped out here," she said, adding that something should have been done about the adult-oriented places "a long time ago."

Price cooks meals for the underprivileged at the church, where the congregation includes ex-cons, former drug addicts and recovering alcoholics. Norwood describes a personal history that includes charges of public intoxication, assaulting a police officer and weekends serving time in county jails. That was more than 25 years ago when, he says, he owned several auto body shops in the San Francisco area and had unlimited access to pornography through a friend who managed a chain of pornographic bookstores.

Now, when he's not counseling prisoners at the Tarrant County Jail in Fort Worth, the no-nonsense Norwood runs a flower shop steeped in the fragrance of scented candles. "I'm hard-core about being against pornography, because I know firsthand what it can lead to," Norwood said. His postcards list a schedule of church services and the church's "counseling and classes on sexual addictions."

The targets of Norwood's concern are not thrilled. "What other people do is not his business," said Roger Vallez, 47, as he left the video store. Vallez, who said he was a contract engineer, said he wouldn't welcome nude clubs in his neighborhood, though. "There ought to be a place in the middle of nowhere for these places."

A young man in a blue pickup pulled into the lot, an aluminum ladder rattling in the bed. When told of Norwood's surveillance program, his eyes darkened. "I'm just going to rent a video and go home. I'll be [angry] if I get a postcard in the mail. I think it's stupid. People aren't going to stop doing what they want to do," he said.

Norwood readily agreed. But those who dismiss his invitation to church will perhaps take their business elsewhere, "somewhere they won't be hassled," he said. "There are a lot of other places … where they can go if they want to persist in this kind of behavior."

Norwood is also counting on unhappy reactions from wives or girlfriends who get to the mail first. "When she asks, 'What were you doing over there?' they're going to have some explaining to do. If they're embarrassed by it, maybe they shouldn't be doing it in the first place."

Norwood is aiming his camera at a white sedan parked at a strip club, the driver still in the car, absently changing the knobs on the radio. Another man leaving the club notices Norwood, slips behind the wheel of his pickup and hurries out of the lot. Too late. Norwood had photographed his license plate.

John Gamboa, a lawyer for one of the businesses that has settled with the city, said Norwood's photo campaign is harmless. "If this man wants to spend money on postcards, fine. As long as he stays within the bounds of the law, he has every right to do it. What he seems to forget is as long as we stay within the bounds of the law, we have every right to be there," he said.

Norwood, a former city councilman in nearby Arlington, has no intention of stopping. As long as the sexually oriented businesses remain in Kennedale, his camera will be at the ready, he said. "Even if they move somewhere else in town, we'll keep at it. Whether it's 2 o'clock in the afternoon or 2 o'clock in the morning, there's a good possibility we'll take a picture and send a postcard."
This is SICK. It's an invasion of provacy, and a form of intimidation along the lines of the old witch trails of 'confess and convert, you're fine, don't, and well, everyone confesses by the time we get to the 3rd degree'

I don't know about you, but if I lived in that area and got a postcard, I'd be launching a law-suit for harasshment.
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While I'm not sure, this thread looks like it belongs in SLAM.
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How the hell does he get peoples' addresses from their license plate numbers? Don't you have to be a cop in order to look up that information?
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Darth Wong wrote:How the hell does he get peoples' addresses from their license plate numbers? Don't you have to be a cop in order to look up that information?
He's from Texas, so his slack-jawed brother/son/nephew probably works for the DMV.
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Darth Wong wrote:How the hell does he get peoples' addresses from their license plate numbers? Don't you have to be a cop in order to look up that information?
With modern database technology, you can correlate any two pieces of public information about a person. You can no more make it illegal than you could make deductive reasoning illegal.
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Darth Wong wrote:How the hell does he get peoples' addresses from their license plate numbers? Don't you have to be a cop in order to look up that information?
He's from Texas, so his slack-jawed brother/son/nephew probably works for the DMV.
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You know, your license plate number, your name and your address are all public information...
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In Texas, it's public record, as stated in the article. However, in states like New York, a cop can get into major trouble if he runs a license plate number for a civilian.
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Posted before, A while ago. Operation Daniel isn't it?
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Darth Wong wrote:How the hell does he get peoples' addresses from their license plate numbers? Don't you have to be a cop in order to look up that information?
With modern database technology, you can correlate any two pieces of public information about a person. You can no more make it illegal than you could make deductive reasoning illegal.
Excuse me, but you only have one piece of information about the person to work with in this case: his license plate number.
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I brought that up in the Operatoin Daniel thread- but if the information is a matter of public record anyone can apparently do it.
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The article states in TEXAS license plate records are a matter of public record that you can look for a fee, and that organization is spending about 15,000 dollars to utilize the service.

The lawyer who's defending the porn stores says there's nothing wrong with what the church is doing, legally.

It's seems like a fight. The suburb expanded, and then the video stores moved in to the new land that was annexed and it seemed as if at least the majority of the city/neighborhood wanted them out since there was a legal battle prior to try to evict them. Though it doesn't state where most of the clientale comes from except for that one quote by Robert Valler.

I guess anyone would be unhappy about a porn store moving in to their neighborhood. If a porn store opened up near where I lived, hell.. I'd be pissed and so would 99.99% of my neighbors, not even for moral grounds but because it'll make the neighborhood look bad.
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you need another person's social security number at least in order to gain private information from police records. it's public information but you have to provide that at the very least.
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But Social Security numbers are decidedly not public information. In fact, you're insane if you give the number to anyone who doesn't absolutely need to know.
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I have a bigger issue with Texas making license plate registrations public information than with what this guy is actually doing. There's absolutely no legitimate reason for someone's license plate number to be public information. License plates were created for the government to keep track of vehicles. Putting that kind of information in public hands just begs for some asshole with road rage to write down a guy's license plate who cut him off and harass him at home.
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I don't particularly see a problem with making plate numbers public, since so many people need to keep track of them. Additionally, there are legitimate reasons why a private citizen would need to trace a plate number (ie. someone hits their car and runs off before giving them their ID, so they need to find out who it was).
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Darth Wong wrote:How the hell does he get peoples' addresses from their license plate numbers? Don't you have to be a cop in order to look up that information?
With modern database technology, you can correlate any two pieces of public information about a person. You can no more make it illegal than you could make deductive reasoning illegal.
Excuse me, but you only have one piece of information about the person to work with in this case: his license plate number.
Yes, but if you get his license plate number, then in some states (Texas obviously is one of them; Minnesota, to my knowledge, is not), you can get the name of the owner of the car. That's two pieces of information.
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Master of Ossus wrote:I don't particularly see a problem with making plate numbers public, since so many people need to keep track of them. Additionally, there are legitimate reasons why a private citizen would need to trace a plate number (ie. someone hits their car and runs off before giving them their ID, so they need to find out who it was).
In that case, you can write down the plate number and give it to the police so that they can arrest the guy for leaving the scene of an accident.
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I didn't say that what the pastor is doing is RIGHT; I just said that it's legal. I don't agree with sending people unsolicited mail of any kind.
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Master of Ossus wrote:I don't particularly see a problem with making plate numbers public, since so many people need to keep track of them. Additionally, there are legitimate reasons why a private citizen would need to trace a plate number (ie. someone hits their car and runs off before giving them their ID, so they need to find out who it was).
In that case, you can write down the plate number and give it to the police so that they can arrest the guy for leaving the scene of an accident.
It's still public information. You can be arrested for copying down private information, even if it's left in plain sight.
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Iceberg wrote:It's still public information. You can be arrested for copying down private information, even if it's left in plain sight.
What's your point? The number is public information, but the information it carries with it is a different matter. I'm arguing that it shouldn't be public information.
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Sure, invite me to church because I went to a porn shop. Obviously it means that they want me because of my copious amounts of pornography evidenced by the fact that they noticed me there.

Therefore, it seems quite clear that they want me to share the pornography in church. Why else would they invite me there.
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I think the solution is simple. Hide in the bushes around the pastor's house, take pictures of him at various times during the day, and just mail them to him. See how much he likes being watched.
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Durandal wrote:I think the solution is simple. Hide in the bushes around the pastor's house, take pictures of him at various times during the day, and just mail them to him. See how much he likes being watched.
No, follow him around and release photos of him taking it up the ass
from a male prostitute or vice versa :twisted:
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MKSheppard wrote:
Durandal wrote:I think the solution is simple. Hide in the bushes around the pastor's house, take pictures of him at various times during the day, and just mail them to him. See how much he likes being watched.
No, follow him around and release photos of him taking it up the ass from a male prostitute or vice versa :twisted:
It's difficult to take picture of events that haven't happened.

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Or ... is it? /me fires up Photoshop.
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Durandal wrote:I think the solution is simple. Hide in the bushes around the pastor's house, take pictures of him at various times during the day, and just mail them to him. See how much he likes being watched.
Good way to be sent to jail on chages of stalking, as the cops, DA, and the court are going to side with the prastor.
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