How to defeat an ISD with Starfleet Resources

[Illuminatus Primus]

You should be able to move, just not manouver or accelerate any significant degree.

[Alyeska]

You should be able to move, just not manouver or accelerate any significant degree.

And equilibrium still means these particles will leave the cloaking shield irregardless of its size and can in theory be detected.

[Darth Wong]

You should be able to move, just not manouver or accelerate any significant degree.

And equilibrium still means these particles will leave the cloaking shield irregardless of its size and can in theory be detected.

Of course, which is why one could move but not accelerate. Theoretically speaking, you can coast indefinitely without any engine emissions at all.

[Alyeska]

You should be able to move, just not manouver or accelerate any significant degree.

And equilibrium still means these particles will leave the cloaking shield irregardless of its size and can in theory be detected.

Of course, which is why one could move but not accelerate. Theoretically speaking, you can coast indefinitely without any engine emissions at all.

Maneuvering would be quite difficult because its much the same thing. Accurately moving while cloaked and trying to remain hidden from a determined enemy trying to find you is difficult. However tactical use of engines for movement is a possibility. They can't know exactly how long you propelled yourself nor how fast, thats if they are lucky enough to catch a small burst as it is.

This of course works for both Trek and Wars.

[Durandal]

We're all forgetting one, very important thing here.

Let's say that the Federation actually does come across a star destroyer, and they manage to overcome all resistance. The star destroyer is theirs.

Who are they going to crew it with? A full ISD crew is 37,000 people, and a skeleton crew is over 12,000. In order to crew the thing, they'd have to take the equivalent of at least 12 Galaxy-class starships out of commission, unless you want to try and argue that they'd try crewing it with a bunch of cadets fresh out of the Academy who haven't been assigned to ships yet.

[Darth Wong]

They also need a crash course in alien starship operation, and the ship+crew must be functional enough to leave under its own power because it's way too big for them to tow it anywhere before reinforcements arrive.

[Robert Walper]

We're all forgetting one, very important thing here.

Let's say that the Federation actually does come across a star destroyer, and they manage to overcome all resistance. The star destroyer is theirs.

Who are they going to crew it with? A full ISD crew is 37,000 people, and a skeleton crew is over 12,000. In order to crew the thing, they'd have to take the equivalent of at least 12 Galaxy-class starships out of commission, unless you want to try and argue that they'd try crewing it with a bunch of cadets fresh out of the Academy who haven't been assigned to ships yet.

Assuming the Starfleet force accomplishes the objective, is there some reason they couldn't utilize existing automation to send the craft somewhere where they can recrew it? Unless the ISD lacks any significant automation for propulsion and destination.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

They'd have to figure out how it works first.

[Ghost Rider]

We're all forgetting one, very important thing here.

Let's say that the Federation actually does come across a star destroyer, and they manage to overcome all resistance. The star destroyer is theirs.

Who are they going to crew it with? A full ISD crew is 37,000 people, and a skeleton crew is over 12,000. In order to crew the thing, they'd have to take the equivalent of at least 12 Galaxy-class starships out of commission, unless you want to try and argue that they'd try crewing it with a bunch of cadets fresh out of the Academy who haven't been assigned to ships yet.

Assuming the Starfleet force accomplishes the objective, is there some reason they couldn't utilize existing automation to send the craft somewhere where they can recrew it? Unless the ISD lacks any significant automation for propulsion and destination.

If you captured a F-15 would you know how to fly it?

[Darth Wong]

Assuming the Starfleet force accomplishes the objective, is there some reason they couldn't utilize existing automation to send the craft somewhere where they can recrew it? Unless the ISD lacks any significant automation for propulsion and destination.

A modern aircraft carrier is very heavily automated. Try to get one across the Atlantic with yourself and a few dozen friends from your school.

[Darth Fanboy]

This is easy:

Phase 1- Defect to Empire

Phase 2 - Recieve comission as an ISD captain as a reward for revealing location of Fed Fleet.

Haha!

[Robert Walper]

We're all forgetting one, very important thing here.

Let's say that the Federation actually does come across a star destroyer, and they manage to overcome all resistance. The star destroyer is theirs.

Who are they going to crew it with? A full ISD crew is 37,000 people, and a skeleton crew is over 12,000. In order to crew the thing, they'd have to take the equivalent of at least 12 Galaxy-class starships out of commission, unless you want to try and argue that they'd try crewing it with a bunch of cadets fresh out of the Academy who haven't been assigned to ships yet.

Assuming the Starfleet force accomplishes the objective, is there some reason they couldn't utilize existing automation to send the craft somewhere where they can recrew it? Unless the ISD lacks any significant automation for propulsion and destination.

If you captured a F-15 would you know how to fly it?

Me personally? No.

But that depends entirely on what resources I have available, for instance trained personnel onhand. Captured enemy personnel another.

And in regards to the OP, the Starfleet force has a thousand ships onhand with the crew. Even assuming only 20 crew per ship can be spared, that's 20,000 crew they can transfer to the ISD.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Can your personel operate an alien ship from a totally different galaxy?

Captured personel would probably commit suicide, you know.

[Robert Walper]

Assuming the Starfleet force accomplishes the objective, is there some reason they couldn't utilize existing automation to send the craft somewhere where they can recrew it? Unless the ISD lacks any significant automation for propulsion and destination.

A modern aircraft carrier is very heavily automated. Try to get one across the Atlantic with yourself and a few dozen friends from your school.

The Federation task force consists of a thousand starships, each presumeably with it's own crew. That's alot of existing and available manpower. Frankly, I don't consider the needed manpower being an issue. Actually running the ISD on the other hand would be, but captured Imperial personnel could solve that problem.

[Ghost Rider]

Assuming the Starfleet force accomplishes the objective, is there some reason they couldn't utilize existing automation to send the craft somewhere where they can recrew it? Unless the ISD lacks any significant automation for propulsion and destination.

If you captured a F-15 would you know how to fly it?

Me personally? No.

But that depends entirely on what resources I have available, for instance trained personnel onhand. Captured enemy personnel another.

And in regards to the OP, the Starfleet force has a thousand ships onhand with the crew. Even assuming only 20 crew per ship can be spared, that's 20,000 crew they can transfer to the ISD.

Same problem.

They have no TRAINING in Imperial equipment or knowledge of Imperial technology...just as you have no knowledge or training of said F-15.

And this assuming that they capture the beast with virtually no casulaties.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Captured personel would commit suicide.

[Ghost Rider]

Assuming the Starfleet force accomplishes the objective, is there some reason they couldn't utilize existing automation to send the craft somewhere where they can recrew it? Unless the ISD lacks any significant automation for propulsion and destination.

A modern aircraft carrier is very heavily automated. Try to get one across the Atlantic with yourself and a few dozen friends from your school.

The Federation task force consists of a thousand starships, each presumeably with it's own crew. That's alot of existing and available manpower. Frankly, I don't consider the needed manpower being an issue. Actually running the ISD on the other hand would be, but captured Imperial personnel could solve that problem.

This honestly assumes a hostile crew will co-operate fully with you and not lie.

Literally you are placing the lives of that entire team in the hands of the Imperial engineers.

[Robert Walper]

Can your personel operate an alien ship from a totally different galaxy?

I fail to understand the common assertion that humans attempting to capture an enemy ship also run by humans is going to be so vastly different is design and concept that they wouldn't have a common frame of reference. With any potentially captured Imperials, learning how to move the ship from A to B shouldn't be a task of vast proportions requiring thousands of crewman flipping switches.

Captured personel would probably commit suicide, you know.

Assuming they had the chance and actually wanted to.

[Robert Walper]

A modern aircraft carrier is very heavily automated. Try to get one across the Atlantic with yourself and a few dozen friends from your school.

The Federation task force consists of a thousand starships, each presumeably with it's own crew. That's alot of existing and available manpower. Frankly, I don't consider the needed manpower being an issue. Actually running the ISD on the other hand would be, but captured Imperial personnel could solve that problem.

This honestly assumes a hostile crew will co-operate fully with you and not lie.

Literally you are placing the lives of that entire team in the hands of the Imperial engineers.

Perhaps the Starfleet force could utilize truth drugs or other means of getting reliable information. They would probably have a couple of options on hand for that scenario I'd think.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Captured personel would probably commit suicide, you know.

Assuming they had the chance and actually wanted to.

Believe me, they would.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Perhaps the Starfleet force could utilize truth drugs or other means of getting reliable information. They would probably have a couple of options on hand for that scenario I'd think.

And have we ever seen them do something like that before?

[Robert Walper]

Captured personel would probably commit suicide, you know.

Assuming they had the chance and actually wanted to.

Believe me, they would.

Perhaps you could elaborate on your certainty that Imperials would have the chance to commit suicide and be willing to do so, aside from your "believe me"?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Oh, like that ever stopped you.

[Ghost Rider]

The Federation task force consists of a thousand starships, each presumeably with it's own crew. That's alot of existing and available manpower. Frankly, I don't consider the needed manpower being an issue. Actually running the ISD on the other hand would be, but captured Imperial personnel could solve that problem.

This honestly assumes a hostile crew will co-operate fully with you and not lie.

Literally you are placing the lives of that entire team in the hands of the Imperial engineers.

Perhaps the Starfleet force could utilize truth drugs or other means of getting reliable information. They would probably have a couple of options on hand for that scenario I'd think.

You do understand the sheer monumental task at hand...not only do you have to capture a decent amount of the crew alive, and have time for the said interrogation.

And still have enough of your people alive to man the ISD.

[Robert Walper]

Perhaps the Starfleet force could utilize truth drugs or other means of getting reliable information. They would probably have a couple of options on hand for that scenario I'd think.

And have we ever seen them do something like that before?

Yeah, Doctor Bashir and Miles O'Brien from DS9 used these types of methods to extract information from a member of Section 31. A hostile, suicidal enemy, whom they succeeded gathering vital information from anyway. That's just one example off the top of my head, there could very well be even other better ones.