Robert Walper wrote:Perhaps the Starfleet force could utilize truth drugs or other means of getting reliable information. They would probably have a couple of options on hand for that scenario I'd think.
And have we ever seen them do something like that before?
Yeah, Doctor Bashir and Miles O'Brien from DS9 used these types of methods to extract information from a member of Section 31. A hostile, suicidal enemy, whom they succeeded gathering vital information from anyway. That's just one example off the top of my head, there could very well be even other better ones.
They also had him isolated and contained.
That was not boarding situation with a crew of over 30,000 people armed with superior weapons and armor.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
And have we ever seen them do something like that before?
Yeah, Doctor Bashir and Miles O'Brien from DS9 used these types of methods to extract information from a member of Section 31. A hostile, suicidal enemy, whom they succeeded gathering vital information from anyway. That's just one example off the top of my head, there could very well be even other better ones.
They also had him isolated and contained.
That was not boarding situation with a crew of over 30,000 people armed with superior weapons and armor.
My scenario suggested utilizing transporter technology to transport the enemy crew into space. They could acquire captives this way as well. Transporters have clearly been shown capable of removing weaponry and even clothing from transported targets.
Robert Walper wrote:
Yeah, Doctor Bashir and Miles O'Brien from DS9 used these types of methods to extract information from a member of Section 31. A hostile, suicidal enemy, whom they succeeded gathering vital information from anyway. That's just one example off the top of my head, there could very well be even other better ones.
They also had him isolated and contained.
That was not boarding situation with a crew of over 30,000 people armed with superior weapons and armor.
My scenario suggested utilizing transporter technology to transport the enemy crew into space. They could acquire captives this way as well. Transporters have clearly been shown capable of removing weaponry and even clothing from transported targets.
And the Transporters are going to do this how through the ISD's hull again?
So your scenario relies upon
1. Transporters going through an extremly dense substance.
2. Acquiring the CORRECT crewmembers.
3. Learning their tech enough to operate it.
And the ISD crew does nothing but sit on their ass?
My god man...why not just say Q snaps his fingers and gives the ISD to the Federation.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:If you transport them into space, even assuming you can, they will die.
Smooth...
That's the point. No need to even fight them.
Yes, and freezing corpses are so easy to get information from.
Yes, acquiring captives via the transporters implied they'd be transported out into space before being transported into brigs or interrogation facilities.
The transporting of enemy units into space is merely the means to deal with the bulk of the crew without having to fight them.
Ghost Rider wrote:
They also had him isolated and contained.
That was not boarding situation with a crew of over 30,000 people armed with superior weapons and armor.
My scenario suggested utilizing transporter technology to transport the enemy crew into space. They could acquire captives this way as well. Transporters have clearly been shown capable of removing weaponry and even clothing from transported targets.
And the Transporters are going to do this how through the ISD's hull again?
So your scenario relies upon
1. Transporters going through an extremly dense substance.
2. Acquiring the CORRECT crewmembers.
3. Learning their tech enough to operate it.
And the ISD crew does nothing but sit on their ass?
My god man...why not just say Q snaps his fingers and gives the ISD to the Federation.
I guess I may as well since you're of the opinion anyone lower than Q could not accomplish the task.
Well the remaining crew certainly aren't going to let you just mozey on in without a fight. I'd be surprised if they didn't just blow up the ship as the crew start disappearing.
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Robert Walper wrote:
My scenario suggested utilizing transporter technology to transport the enemy crew into space. They could acquire captives this way as well. Transporters have clearly been shown capable of removing weaponry and even clothing from transported targets.
And the Transporters are going to do this how through the ISD's hull again?
So your scenario relies upon
1. Transporters going through an extremly dense substance.
2. Acquiring the CORRECT crewmembers.
3. Learning their tech enough to operate it.
And the ISD crew does nothing but sit on their ass?
My god man...why not just say Q snaps his fingers and gives the ISD to the Federation.
I guess I may as well since you're of the opinion anyone lower than Q could not accomplish the task.
Well given you decided that the Federation knows whom to capture and whom to space aboard a hostile craft...might as well.
Because that is literally what you set your scenario as.
The Federation will know who to talk to because hell they know a crew roster of an ISD, just like the US knows a crew roster of a hostile vessel.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:You should be able to move, just not manouver or accelerate any significant degree.
Well yeah I think thats what I was saying
The point being that assuming the ship is cloaked and sitting there, any meaningful acceleration is not going to be possible. In short, Isac Newton is now at the Helm if you don't want to be detected.
Robert Walper wrote:But that depends entirely on what resources I have available, for instance trained personnel onhand. Captured enemy personnel another.
It takes weeks at a minimum for experienced instructors with training material to teach fresh recruits how to do their jobs on a military vessel. You figure you will be able to forcibly extract the information necessary to operate a large military vessel from prisoners (assuming the transport scheme works at all) before reinforcements arrive?
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well the remaining crew certainly aren't going to let you just mozey on in without a fight. I'd be surprised if they didn't just blow up the ship as the crew start disappearing.
I sure am glad you are not my CO, because I would first raise shields and go on security alert when crewmen start disappearing, instead of panicking and blowing up my ship.
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Just to clear up a few things about the SW cloaking device,
Imperial cloaking fields completely absorb all incoming sensor scans and block all the host ship's emissions and reflected energy
-Star Wars Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, pg.102
Just a thought though, if you had an antenna the would stick out just a little through the cloak, would you be able to have a sensor reading outside the cloak then? And the antenna could be sheathed in stealth armor to hide it from sensors.
FYI, Trek transporters will have relatively little problem beaming through the hull of the ISD.
Reason? In "Think Tank" VGR Voyager was able to beam through a neutronium alloy hull. Trying to claim the hull of an ISD will block Trek transporters is a red herring attempt. Knock it off.
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Alyeska wrote:FYI, Trek transporters will have relatively little problem beaming through the hull of the ISD.
Reason? In "Think Tank" VGR Voyager was able to beam through a neutronium alloy hull. Trying to claim the hull of an ISD will block Trek transporters is a red herring attempt. Knock it off.
Oh yes, of a ship whose hull was as thick as a can...
Alyeska wrote:FYI, Trek transporters will have relatively little problem beaming through the hull of the ISD.
Reason? In "Think Tank" VGR Voyager was able to beam through a neutronium alloy hull. Trying to claim the hull of an ISD will block Trek transporters is a red herring attempt. Knock it off.
Oh yes, of a ship whose hull was as thick as a can...
Irrelevent. I haven't seen any proof that the neutronium element in the ISDs is of any great value.
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"The captain claimed our people violated a 4,000 year old treaty forbidding us to develop hyperspace technology. Extermination of our planet was the consequence. The subject did not survive interrogation."
Was that directed at me? If so, I'm uncertain as to what you're referring to.
Uh....sure.
