1 SSD vs all of the Federation and It's allies

[Knife]

You wouldn't even need to deal with the ships as a primary target. You concentrate on the orbital platforms, shipyards, starbases, and other space type stations. A SSD can wreak havoc on the infrastructure of the ST civilizations with only engaging minimal enemy ships, truley they would just be target practice for the gunnery crews. Once infrastructure is out of the picture, enemy ships start to break down and run out of fuel and supplies.

Then it turns into a mop up operation.

[Sea Skimmer]

3. Hit Federation HQ and HIT IT HARD. Blast anything within twenety miles of San Francisco.

That would require about three shots from a single LTL..

[Ghost Rider]

If the mission is to destroy, not hold anything, and it's enemies are the federation and it *allies*(I dunno...I say given them the Klingons for ever how long that lasts)

Let's get an idea here.

The SSD is how much more powerful and how many of it's gun can instantly obliterate a Soverign Class?

Okay, now think what would happen if you sent the Enterprise and it came back as particles, Earth is BDZed, Qo'no's is BDZed, and you have a instantly appearing disappearing flying ship of death. Seriously the other powers run to the hills praying that this thing doesn't take notice of them, and the Feddies and Klingon dog wondering how the hell anything will defeat this thing.

[Mr Bean]

Ok heres some figures for you based of the *Likley numbers

Alright the Ex is stated as *Being worth a Dozen ISDs, Now lets be fair and say its an eggeration but say its 4 times the shielding and guns of an ISD

Medium figures slap a single section of the ISD at 28 Petatons(Rounding, 24,7 is the acutal number but anyway)

(What are the offical stats for numbers of guns on the Ex agian?)


So 4x28=112 Petaons per section or 112,000 Teratons

Ok!

100 Defanits pumping out 8 per second Q-Torps agian or 4,000 Torps every second at 128 Megatons Each

Converted into Megatons
112,000,000,000/128=875,000,000 Q-Torps to take down one section of the shields

Ok! So that means it takes nearly a billion Q-Torps to down ONE section of an ISDs shields

Riighty then
The SSD VS 100 Defants!
875,000,000/4,000=218750 seconds dived agian/60=3645 minutes divided agian/60=60.73 hours/24=2.531 Days!

Ouch so 100 Defants Stand no chance

LETS SEND IN 10,000!


Bascily ups our Missle Total by a factor of 100
8750,000,000/400,000=2187.5 seconds/60=36.45 Minutes

Ok so the Excutitor can stand up for over half an hour aginst 10,000 Ships per shielding section...

For, Aft, Port, Starboard, Venteral and Dorsal, Each of these shielding sections can stand up to identical damage and each of them require of 36 mintues of Hammering to bring them down


Oh and 10,000X10,000=100,000,000 Missles is all the Defants Carry, They have to stop to rearm before attacking

Assuming all 30,000 Shipsx20,000(Lets be generious they don't carry that many) and all Q-Torp 500,000,000 Total Missle Payload

Hmm even with The Romulans, Federation and Klingon's Working Toghter they simply don't have enough missles to do the job...


There some solid numbers for you

[Rightous Fist Of Heaven]

Uhh Bean.. based on the Isards revenge quote IIRC that was where from those shield section figures came from right? Ok since a HTL is much larger than a QTL on the Acclamator, approximately 4-5 times larger if we round it up a bit we get 1TT per HTL bolt. So it took IIRC 5 salvoes to drop the shield section and counting only HTL's we come up with 160TT per shield section, now as far as i know an ISD has 6 shield vectors, aft,forward,port.starboard, uppern and lower 6x160TT = 960TT now if we are generous and say that the SSD has 4 times the shield capacity and rounding it up a bit we can say that the SSD has overall shield capacity of 4 PT or 1PT per shield section. Now lets assume that one Defiant could dish out 1GT worth of damage per second it would still take 1 million Defiants to drop a single shield section of an SSD if they all fired at the same time a single salvo worth of 1GT.

[Rightous Fist Of Heaven]

ow if we are generous and say that the SSD has 4 times the shield capacity

Sorry meant to say here that if we are very VERY conservative and assume that an SSD has ONLY 4 times the shield capacity of an ISD.

[Mr Bean]

Acutal medium figures slap the HTLs at inbetween 2-26 not 1

See my medium figure sticky thread for the numbers I'm using

[Ender]

I would ALSO take a Tactical Borg Cube tractor beam it drag it in to hyperspace and then Show the federation how easy it is just to destroy one that should scare the Bjesus out of them

Good idea. A quick hop to the Detla Quad and then come back to find the Feds cowering in the dark corners.[/quote]I crunched some numbers, and it only takes 40.7 GT to vaporize a cube. That's less then a single LTL.

[Ender]

I wonder what would happen with 6-8000 cloaked Warbirds moving on the SSD?

"Sir, gravitational sensors have picked up something. Apparently, the enemy is attempting to sneak up on us with stealth ships."

"Wipe them out. All of them".

"Yes sir"

[Ender]

ow if we are generous and say that the SSD has 4 times the shield capacity

Sorry meant to say here that if we are very VERY conservative and assume that an SSD has ONLY 4 times the shield capacity of an ISD.

But didn't Saxton say that he based his figs off the ISD having 10x the power of an Acclamator and the Executor 11x the power of an ISD?

That would make the Executors shields 1.76 Petatons.

Or did I get bad information?

[Failed Glory]

The argument of 30,000 alliance ships or 8000 warbirds all attacking the SSD at the same time is a ridiculous notion, logistically.

How are you (ST) to predict the movement of a SSD that can cross your galaxy in a few daysand then move to intercept with a fleet of such a size when it takes 100 years with your best technology to cross the same distance?

The Alpha quadrant could not muster the required quickness of response to an SSD attack before the SSD destroyed the defending fleet and obliterated the planet.

[Alyeska]

ow if we are generous and say that the SSD has 4 times the shield capacity

Sorry meant to say here that if we are very VERY conservative and assume that an SSD has ONLY 4 times the shield capacity of an ISD.

But didn't Saxton say that he based his figs off the ISD having 10x the power of an Acclamator and the Executor 11x the power of an ISD?

That would make the Executors shields 1.76 Petatons.

Or did I get bad information?

Bad info. Executor's have not demonstrated 10x shielding. At best they have demonsrated 7x shielding.

[Alyeska]

The argument of 30,000 alliance ships or 8000 warbirds all attacking the SSD at the same time is a ridiculous notion, logistically.

How are you (ST) to predict the movement of a SSD that can cross your galaxy in a few daysand then move to intercept with a fleet of such a size when it takes 100 years with your best technology to cross the same distance?

The Alpha quadrant could not muster the required quickness of response to an SSD attack before the SSD destroyed the defending fleet and obliterated the planet.

Using the logistics argument is could also be said the SSD would simply be stuck, or at least seriously slowed down because it doesn't have a map of the A/B Quandrants.

As I said earlier, the outcome of this depends on the tactical and strategic situations at hand.

[Mr Bean]

Like I said 28 Petatons for ISDs 112 for SSDs going on *avaraged Mid numbers

Low end minium we have is 15.8 Teratons per section
Mid is 27.8 Petaons per section
High by Nitrium is roughly 680 Petaons Per section for an ISD
Just took the numbers and mulitplied by 4

Anyway we already know that anything over 60 Petaons the Feddys Can't handle due to the fact that would be a single shield section

Annnd more missles then the Entire Fleet carryes

[Knife]

The argument of 30,000 alliance ships or 8000 warbirds all attacking the SSD at the same time is a ridiculous notion, logistically.

How are you (ST) to predict the movement of a SSD that can cross your galaxy in a few daysand then move to intercept with a fleet of such a size when it takes 100 years with your best technology to cross the same distance?

The Alpha quadrant could not muster the required quickness of response to an SSD attack before the SSD destroyed the defending fleet and obliterated the planet.

Using the logistics argument is could also be said the SSD would simply be stuck, or at least seriously slowed down because it doesn't have a map of the A/B Quandrants.

As I said earlier, the outcome of this depends on the tactical and strategic situations at hand.

Oh, come on like they aren't going to use their sensor systems to start charting stars. Yes, this will slow them down some but the huge advantage of hyperdrive is that they have the time to do this while the ST ships race at high warp to get to the SSD.

[Failed Glory]

Thanks Knife. Quite right.

Tactics? Strategy? What tactics or strategy have you proposed that can possibly solve a rogue SSD in your space? I have yet to hear a single logical and plausible tactic on the Alpha Q. side.

Obviously, one SSD can't hold every planet in the Alpha quadrant, but it could bring it to her knees and pave the way for an Imperial invasion, if the alpha quadrant is even worth controlling.

[Mr Bean]

Well we already know strait up attacks aginst and SSD even in tens of thousands will fail, Best bet for the Federation is to wave their hands pray for Q(Ha ha not likley) And or go

LOOK BORG SIC EM!(Either to the Borg or the SSD whichever)

And hope they aninalate each other(Likley senario)

[Guest]

ok then, a SSD doesn't have the star charts of the AQ, tractor a dead ship into it's docking bay steal the ships computer core and use their own maps

[Isolder74]

Sayonara Feds.

my thoughts exactaly

[Sea Skimmer]

Thanks Knife. Quite right.

Tactics? Strategy? What tactics or strategy have you proposed that can possibly solve a rogue SSD in your space? I have yet to hear a single logical and plausible tactic on the Alpha Q. side.

Obviously, one SSD can't hold every planet in the Alpha quadrant, but it could bring it to her knees and pave the way for an Imperial invasion, if the alpha quadrant is even worth controlling.

Anyone done calacs on what would happen if a couple hundred or thousand ships rammed using warp at .99C?

[Vendetta]

Using the logistics argument is could also be said the SSD would simply be stuck, or at least seriously slowed down because it doesn't have a map of the A/B Quandrants.

As I said earlier, the outcome of this depends on the tactical and strategic situations at hand.

But then they have probe droids to perform the mapping for them, and even, in extreme circumstances, manual hyperspace navigation.

At most within a few days the Star Destroyer would have an operating map of the Federation, if not it's stellar neighbours.

[Ender]

Anyone done calacs on what would happen if a couple hundred or thousand ships rammed using warp at .99C?

I question the viability of the "ram them till they give up!" strategy. Mass-lightening fields mean that even at high acceleration, you are not going to get anywhere near as much force.

[Vendetta]

I question the viability of the "ram them till they give up!" strategy. Mass-lightening fields mean that even at high acceleration, you are not going to get anywhere near as much force.

Even IF the SSD stays still to be rammed. Given that it would be bloody hard to aim a ramming attack at such high velocities, as course corrections would take too long to take effect.

[seanrobertson]

This may be iresponseable and this can be shut down if need be (please notify me first) But would a SSD be able to defeat all of the Federation and it's allies if set loose in the Alpha Quadrant. Or would it be destroyed before it could conquer all.

An Executor-class Super Star Destroyer is immensely powerful.
I've heard it's the equivalent "cost" of a dozen Imperators.
Its shielding and weapons might be far beyond what its monetary
value might indicate, though.

I think such a ship could potentially engage the entire Alpha Quadrant
military and win. It should be able to withstand the combined might
of the Cardassians, Klingons, Starfleet, and Romulan fleets all at
once without significant trouble...and that's certainly assuming a LOT,
since tens of thousands of ships WON'T be able to converge on a SSD
operated with even a modicum of intelligence.

IF that happened, and we generously assumed each AQ warship was
able to deliver 2 MT to the SSD/sec. (remember, there are ships perhaps
capable of greater firepower, but many of them are Oberths,
scout-class Birds-of-Prey and Romulan scoutships), with no more
than 30,000 ships among these powers (otherwise, the Dominion Alliance's
30,000 ships circa "Tacking Into the Wind" wouldn't have been such
a big deal), we're looking at 60 gigatons/sec. A single heavy barrel
on a Accalmator could probably maintain that rate of fire or
better, and we KNOW such attacks would be no threat to an ISD,
let alone a SSD, unless sustained for a painful amount of time.

*During which time*, the Executor-class battlecruiser would eliminate
its ideally-sized 30,000 ship opponent fleet with literally thousands of
turbolaser shots. Even if each ship could take several dozen hits,
it's pretty clear that the fleet would be wiped out long before the SSD's
shield generators overheated or otherwise failed.

Since such a fleet is truly ideal, and would never be able to even engage
the SSD, the latter wins, handily. The only real shortcoming is if the SSD
had to occupy a substantial no. of worlds...pacifist worlds like Vulcan
could be overtaken by no more than 1,000 Stormtroopers, I bet,
but Earth, Qo'nos, and maybe Cardassia Prime could require the infusion
of far more troops (not to mention Andor, Remus, Tellar, et al.).

I don't remember occupation being a stipulation of the thread, however,
so I think the SSD could win. The only real hope lies, oddly enough,
in the Cardassians' "Dreadnought" type missiles, each of which yield
just under 20 gigatons. If the Cardies had an insane no. of these
weapons ready to launch, AND a gigantic fleet could be assembled
before a SSD attacks, it's possible the Alliance could win.

The kind of favoritism that begs for the AQ Alliance, however, is obscene.

[Alyeska]

Using the logistics argument is could also be said the SSD would simply be stuck, or at least seriously slowed down because it doesn't have a map of the A/B Quandrants.

As I said earlier, the outcome of this depends on the tactical and strategic situations at hand.

But then they have probe droids to perform the mapping for them, and even, in extreme circumstances, manual hyperspace navigation.

At most within a few days the Star Destroyer would have an operating map of the Federation, if not it's stellar neighbours.

Mapping out areas is not that fast. Observed, probe droids merely go where people have been before, but they check to see what is there. It took the better part of a decade for Thrawn to map out the Uknown Regions, and even then it was not fully mapped out because Baron Fel was still taking part in the work. Given the time it took them to map out that area, I doubt they could map the A/BQ in just days.