What would Trek do in the face of a SW invasion?

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-11 11:46am

Here's a thought that's been bugging me. I don't know how seriously it'll get entertained, but still:

How would the Federation *react* in the face of Imperial first contact (not ignoring this week's Enterprise episode, where the chief weapons officer and engineer endured first contact with an alien computer station by trying to vandalize it)?

Let's assume that Fed explorers met up with Imperial explorers or traders (not a first contact involving strictly military ships, but Federation and Imperial citizens); not an unreasonable supposition since the military isn't the only group wandering around space on both sides. Both sides report the contact back to their respective people, assumedly, word takes time but gets to both governments eventually, but it's trader and citizen contact first.

This scenario gives the Federation time to employ its beloved 'diplomatic' tactics. Does anyone think that in either circumstance, war would occur?

Trek can't beat the Empire, but it'd be a question of political intent as to whether a situation exists in which they would retain autonomy.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-10-11 11:51am

I would say it would depend on the stabiliy of the thing that allowed the two galaxies to connect to each other. If there were only a short time, I think a general exchange between the feds and maybe some of the comercial guilds and organizations would occur.
If it was a stable connection between the two galaxies, I see an invasion. From both market forces of the GE and the military as well. Its an Empire, they like to expand and how do you resist a brand new galaxy.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-10-11 12:28pm

Even if there was not open warfare, the Empire would win in the same fashion America does; sheer economic takeover.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-10-11 07:16pm

The Empire's biggest problem(relatively speaking) would be the Borg once they got wind of the new races and technology in the new galaxy. They'd undoubtably launch an offensive against the Empire.

Note: I won't yet speculate as to how effective this offensive would be...

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-11 07:29pm

Robert Walper wrote:The Empire's biggest problem(relatively speaking) would be the Borg once they got wind of the new races and technology in the new galaxy. They'd undoubtably launch an offensive against the Empire.

Note: I won't yet speculate as to how effective this offensive would be...

This effective:

WE ARE THE BORG. RESISTANCE IS FU.. *KABOOM!*

WE ARE THE BORG. R *KABOOM!

Repeat

Imperials: *yawn*

Australopithicus · Post by **Australopithicus** » 2002-10-11 07:31pm

You missed out 'You will be assimilated.' I guess they had to make their parting words brief...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-11 07:35pm

"...re-sis-tance is fu-tle."

"200 GT turbies are futile, biatch! Full broadside!"

"Hole-ly. Moth-er Fuck-ing Shit."

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-10-11 09:09pm

Evil Jerk wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:The Empire's biggest problem(relatively speaking) would be the Borg once they got wind of the new races and technology in the new galaxy. They'd undoubtably launch an offensive against the Empire.

Note: I won't yet speculate as to how effective this offensive would be...
This effective:

WE ARE THE BORG. RESISTANCE IS FU.. *KABOOM!*

WE ARE THE BORG. R *KABOOM!

Repeat

Imperials: *yawn*

You kidding? Sure, the DS might be able to blow up one cube with it's super laser gun, but after that, they'd adapt and be virtually invincible.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-11 09:13pm

If I was in charge of the Federation, I would surrender immediately and try to negotiate favorable terms.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-11 09:16pm

If I did not know you where joking Walper..

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-11 09:18pm

We are Borg. We are currently wetting ourselves.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-10-11 09:30pm

Interestingly, I took beans 2.2 GT number and plugged the volume of a cube (assiming 90% hollow) into the asteroid caluclator to see how much it takes to make it go boom if itwas iron.

End result: 40.7 GT to totally vape it.

That's about a single LTL. Also, assumping dry air and STP, since energy is transmitted at the speed of sound, the cube would be gone in 9.13 seconds. I would love to know how they aere going to register and transmit the information, much less preform any kind of analysis on it, back to the collective in that amount of time. Particularily since they keep losing processing nanites, sensing nanites, and transmitting nanites as the energy keeps progressing.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-10-11 09:42pm

Mr Bean wrote:If I did not know you where joking Walper..

Joking? Me? Never...just been reading up on Graham Kennedy's site.

GK? Oh no quick hit him with some blinding bits of truth!~Bean

Arrgh! my Eyes! The goggles Do nothing!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-11 09:44pm

Wew glad that situation resovled itself

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-10-12 01:08am

Ender wrote: That's about a single LTL. Also, assumping dry air and STP, since energy is transmitted at the speed of sound, the cube would be gone in 9.13 seconds.

Energy is transmitted at the speed of sound now? Why was I not informed?

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-10-12 01:24am

Well I think the federations best bet is to pack its pockets with Jam cause they are toast

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-10-12 01:27am

Howedar wrote:
Ender wrote: That's about a single LTL. Also, assumping dry air and STP, since energy is transmitted at the speed of sound, the cube would be gone in 9.13 seconds.
Energy is transmitted at the speed of sound now? Why was I not informed?

That explains why dawn seems so slow these days! We're turning into Discworld!

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-10-12 01:35am

Besides shit themselves? Hmm. diplomatic attempts. That's what they always do. Even after they have been givin an ass whippin'. When given the choice to fight or flight, they usually fly the coop if they can. The Dominion War would be how they'd act once they realized peace was not going to happen. It would also show thier fleet tactics before the Empire's opening salvo.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-12 07:44am

DG_Cal_Wright wrote:Besides shit themselves? Hmm. diplomatic attempts. That's what they always do. Even after they have been givin an ass whippin'. When given the choice to fight or flight, they usually fly the coop if they can. The Dominion War would be how they'd act once they realized peace was not going to happen. It would also show thier fleet tactics before the Empire's opening salvo.

Is war inevitable, though? Given the fact that the Empire's presence on their most remote systems seems to be very light (like Tatooine), would they have the motivation to conquer an extremely remote, non-threatening galaxy? Remember, I'm assuming that first contact has already had a chance to develop through citizens and traders. The empire obviously allows a lot of independant systems within the empire that are governed locally through trade companies and even crime syndicates.

I bet that the Feds, if they were faced with any sort of ultimatum, would capitulate but try to secure autonomy and local governorship of their territories. I doubt the empire would even need to mobilize an invasion force against a section of space and culture that a single ISD could patrol occasionally and control without need of a permanent garrison. In fact, it's in the Feds' *best interests* to capitulate quickly, because the Empire houses even minor crime syndicates and corporations that could take on the Federation, and control by those entities could be a lot worse than direct Imperial control.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-12 10:06am

Lag good thinking but a question

That would require intellgent thought right? When have the Federation leaders ever demosrated that?

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-12 11:12am

Well the Feds could probably remain partitially autonomous but that'd mean they'd have to give the Empire something, like resources (the Empire would actually have to set up mines, refineries, factories etc themselves) and of course good old-fashioned recruits for the imperial millitary to piss away in combat

A de-militarisation is also unecessary since the Federation posesses no such organisation.

FBHthelizardmage · Post by **FBHthelizardmage** » 2002-10-12 12:21pm

They would die of course......

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-10-12 12:46pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:Well the Feds could probably remain partitially autonomous but that'd mean they'd have to give the Empire something, like resources (the Empire would actually have to set up mines, refineries, factories etc themselves) and of course good old-fashioned recruits for the imperial millitary to piss away in combat
A de-militarisation is also unecessary since the Federation posesses no such organisation.

I was thinking the feds would do porbably that exact thing.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-12 12:51pm

Well it'd also mean Starfleet academy will now be another Imperial academy and lots of training camps for non-enlisted personel will also have to be set up so that they can serve the Empire properly, additionally, Imperial propaganda will be everywhere and much more present than in the other parts of the Empire (ie SW galaxy) since the population needs to be re-educated, also the Empire will send many settlers to the Fed territorry to speed up the assimilation process.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-10-12 04:10pm

Evil Jerk wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:The Empire's biggest problem(relatively speaking) would be the Borg once they got wind of the new races and technology in the new galaxy. They'd undoubtably launch an offensive against the Empire.

Note: I won't yet speculate as to how effective this offensive would be...
This effective:

WE ARE THE BORG. RESISTANCE IS FU.. *KABOOM!*

WE ARE THE BORG. R *KABOOM!

Repeat

Imperials: *yawn*

Wrong way around.

Each successive cube would be a little better at coping with Turbolaser attacks than the last.

By the time there were only a couple left, they might even have gotten the whole sentence out.