Hapans vs UFP

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-29 06:20pm

What if the Hapans were on the defensive? The Feds invading them. Say all the Fed ships are dropped into the Hapes Cluster. Would it still be a landslide win for the Hapans?

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-01-29 07:32pm

Yes.

Gigaton weaponry. Planetary shields. Hyperdrive. MFFTL (much fucking faster that light) communications.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-01-29 08:03pm

The problem with any Star Wars vs Star Trek engagement is ALL Star Wars has a massive firepower advantage.

Hapans have Turbolaser tech and Imperial level shields.

'nuff said

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-29 09:42pm

I'm here!

Lets see the Hapes thought nothing of send in fleet of 66 Battle Dragons to Coruscant for a simple dimlomatic funtion. They have ships that hcan go toe to toe with Imperial ship on a 2 to one basis.

Ships
Battle Dragons

Nova Class Battle Cruiser

They have a massive amount of wealth and in their cluster control almost the same number of system as the Federation.

There only disadvantage it that their Turbolaser are 1/3 slower than Imperial ones but that will not be a problem against the United Federation of Planets.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2004-01-30 03:21am

The Hapans own the Feds, and depending on how spread apart the Hapes Consortium is, it could possible that the Feds can't even invade them to begin with. Like Solauren said, the problem with even these smaller SW vs. ST debates is that even weaker SW powers have technology at least in the same general level as the Empire. The only versus debates that could possibly be "fair" are ones which are extremely limited with specific conditions handicapping SW, or debates that do not involve tech.

Lets see the Hapes thought nothing of send in fleet of 66 Battle Dragons to Coruscant for a simple dimlomatic funtion.

Minor nitpick: The Hapans sent 63 Battle Dragons, each one representing a different Hapan world. These were also accompanied by numerous (I seem to recall dozens) of captured ISDs. The Queen's fleet that later defeated Zsinj's forces was also said to include 80 destroyers. The Hapans might not compare to the Empire or Republic, but they're quite militarized and seem to have captured a ridiculous number of Star Destroyers.

The one thing I like about Dave Wolverton is that he wasn't as minimalist as all the other EU writers. Even a small regional power like the Hapans were capable of sending dozens of Star Destroyers to a single battle. I also recall Zsinj casually calling in 40 ISDs to reinforce his defenses around Dathomir at one point in the book.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-01-30 03:29am

The Hapans wouldn't do nearly as well, ship for ship, as the other groups in SW since their ships suffer from slow refire rates and apparently cannot engage large numbers of targets at once. However, they also maintain extraordinarily large numbers of starships/planet, have a large military, and are obviously quite powerful. They would be able to defeat the UFP without serious difficulty, but they would not do as well as a comparatively-sized portion of (say) the Corporate Sector that was given a similar number of ships.

Dargos · Post by **Dargos** » 2004-01-30 04:22am

Depends on "when" the Hapen fleet goes to the ST galaxy. If it is after the YV invasion the Hapen fleet no longer suffers from the slow fire rate of its TL. The GalFed shared its TL tech with them.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-01-30 05:17am

Isolder74 wrote: They have a massive amount of wealth and in their cluster control almost the same number of system as the Federation.

They don't control the same number of systems as the Federation.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-30 01:52pm

PainRack wrote:
Isolder74 wrote: They have a massive amount of wealth and in their cluster control almost the same number of system as the Federation.

They don't control the same number of systems as the Federation.

I guess you don't know the meaning of the word almost

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-30 01:59pm

lets not forget the Hapan Gun Of Command

a weapon which would reander the Federation's redshirts useless.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2004-01-30 02:00pm

Isolder74 wrote:lets not forget the Hapan Gun Of Command
a weapon which would reander the Federation's redshirts useless.

So the gun would have no effect on a redshirt... they ARE already useless !

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-30 02:02pm

HRogge wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:lets not forget the Hapan Gun Of Command
a weapon which would reander the Federation's redshirts useless.
So the gun would have no effect on a redshirt... they ARE already useless !

It would make them dumber if that is possible

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2004-01-30 02:08pm

Isolder74 wrote:It would make them dumber if that is possible

Never heared the phrase "brainless as an redshirt" ?
I think the gun of command will have an positive effect on a redshirt. After being shot, the redshirt is suddenly able to follow commands !

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-30 02:18pm

HRogge wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:It would make them dumber if that is possible
Never heared the phrase "brainless as an redshirt" ?
I think the gun of command will have an positive effect on a redshirt. After being shot, the redshirt is suddenly able to follow commands !

True but they would then be following MY orders not their commanders. I can't have them walk of a cliff but having them play baseball with thei Phasers(pistols as balls rifles as bats) WOULD BE FUNNY

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-01-30 11:53pm

Isolder74 wrote:
PainRack wrote:
Isolder74 wrote: They have a massive amount of wealth and in their cluster control almost the same number of system as the Federation.

They don't control the same number of systems as the Federation.
I guess you don't know the meaning of the word almost

There is a limit to the word almost. 63 member worlds to 150 member worlds is not almost.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2004-01-31 05:41am

Isolder was correct though with regards to hapan wealth. During the courtship of princess leia they threw jewels around like they were candy at a parade, these special jewels were so valuable just one could buy a Mon Cal Cruiser.

Also another point I made the LAST TIME WE DID THIS TOPIC 9coming up with the same answers as well it would seem)

Do the Hapans get Tenel Ka?

OT question about the Hapans:

they had captured ISDs, they needed upgraded TL tech, they are at a level of technology that seemed to be reasonably comparable to any other SW civilization. And they have the buying power of Bill Gates after his company makes a version of windows that doesn't crash every Fucking minute.

So why couldn't they:
A) Reverse Engineer the tech,
B)purchase the tech either from one of the powers or a third party with access to Capital Ships, SW has lots of corporations always eager to make an extra few bucks
C) "Recruit" some scientists seeing as how their own weren't making the cut
D) any combination of the above

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-01 12:35pm

Darth Fanboy wrote: they had captured ISDs, they needed upgraded TL tech, they are at a level of technology that seemed to be reasonably comparable to any other SW civilization. And they have the buying power of Bill Gates after his company makes a version of windows that doesn't crash every Fucking minute.

So why couldn't they:
A) Reverse Engineer the tech,
B)purchase the tech either from one of the powers or a third party with access to Capital Ships, SW has lots of corporations always eager to make an extra few bucks
C) "Recruit" some scientists seeing as how their own weren't making the cut
D) any combination of the above

I always assumed that the Hapan industries couldn't manufacture the required parts. It could be as simple as their industry just not being able to produce equipment with the precision, or heat resistant capabilities present due to a weakness in the labour force/ lack of stragetic resources/ etc etc etc

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-01 12:45pm

PainRack wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote: they had captured ISDs, they needed upgraded TL tech, they are at a level of technology that seemed to be reasonably comparable to any other SW civilization. And they have the buying power of Bill Gates after his company makes a version of windows that doesn't crash every Fucking minute.

So why couldn't they:
A) Reverse Engineer the tech,
B)purchase the tech either from one of the powers or a third party with access to Capital Ships, SW has lots of corporations always eager to make an extra few bucks
C) "Recruit" some scientists seeing as how their own weren't making the cut
D) any combination of the above
I always assumed that the Hapan industries couldn't manufacture the required parts. It could be as simple as their industry just not being able to produce equipment with the precision, or heat resistant capabilities present due to a weakness in the labour force/ lack of stragetic resources/ etc etc etc

Isolationism had to have alot to do with it as well. From Han's comments they seemed to keep to themselves in most areas. It appears that they exported products but rairly imported items.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-01 12:47pm

Isolder74 wrote:
PainRack wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote: they had captured ISDs, they needed upgraded TL tech, they are at a level of technology that seemed to be reasonably comparable to any other SW civilization. And they have the buying power of Bill Gates after his company makes a version of windows that doesn't crash every Fucking minute.

So why couldn't they:
A) Reverse Engineer the tech,
B)purchase the tech either from one of the powers or a third party with access to Capital Ships, SW has lots of corporations always eager to make an extra few bucks
C) "Recruit" some scientists seeing as how their own weren't making the cut
D) any combination of the above
I always assumed that the Hapan industries couldn't manufacture the required parts. It could be as simple as their industry just not being able to produce equipment with the precision, or heat resistant capabilities present due to a weakness in the labour force/ lack of stragetic resources/ etc etc etc
Isolationism had to have alot to do with it as well. From Han's comments they seemed to keep to themselves in most areas. It appears that they exported products but rairly imported items.

What was to stop them simply stripping the lighter ships they got off the Empire? A Carrack or even a VSD would still have faster charging TL's.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-01 03:00pm

Lord Pounder wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
PainRack wrote: I always assumed that the Hapan industries couldn't manufacture the required parts. It could be as simple as their industry just not being able to produce equipment with the precision, or heat resistant capabilities present due to a weakness in the labour force/ lack of stragetic resources/ etc etc etc
Isolationism had to have alot to do with it as well. From Han's comments they seemed to keep to themselves in most areas. It appears that they exported products but rairly imported items.
What was to stop them simply stripping the lighter ships they got off the Empire? A Carrack or even a VSD would still have faster charging TL's.

Maintainence.

Ship parts do break down.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-03 03:03am

Also if you are highly Isolationist you will tend to only use products produced by your own industries. It is known that they can't produce them themselves so they have designed ways to compensate

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-02-03 04:02am

fucking
huge
quotes!

It makes things so fucking annoying, just *snip* from now on, k?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-03 04:05am

That should be an announcement rule.

Guys, just quote what you're responding to.

Bob McDob · Post by **Bob McDob** » 2004-02-03 10:19am

Crown wrote:It makes things so fucking annoying, just *snip* from now on, k?

Hey, it's a pyramid!

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-03 11:00am

I assume you are not talking to the guy who broke the chain.

As for the topic

THe Hapans have the resources the fleets and the capabilities to put some real hurt into any Federation Invasion. If they beam down planetside they will have to face troops armed with the Gun Of Command along other standard Star Wars gropund equiptment. We really don't know wht else the Hapans use in ground combat But we do know they do have a real army.