Loaded Rebel Alliance transport in Maquis hands

Ronaldo · Post by **Ronaldo** » 2004-02-03 07:12pm

Scenario:

The Rebel Alliance is fleeing the Imperial attack on the planet Hoth. A Rebel transport, being escorted by two X-wings escapes into hyperspace. An intergalactic hyperspace wormhole sends the two X-wings and the transport into the demilitarized zone of the United Federation of Planets and Cardassia. The time frame for the scenario is during The Maquis parts I and II of DS9.

The Rebel transport was not carrying any high-ranking members or vital members of the Rebel Alliance.

The lightly armed (one medium laser cannon) transport is loaded with the following pieces of equipment:

3 pilots rated to fly combat airspeeders.

10 combat airspeeders (these weren't adapted to the cold conditions of Hoth and were left in storage on Echo base). The air speeders are at their full operational capacity.

Enough spare parts to fully repair the speeders one time.

1,000 blaster rifles (the variant used by the rebel troops on Hoth) with enough powerpacks for 5,000 shots for each rifle.

100 light repeating blasters with enough powerpacks for 10,000 shots for each blaster.

2,000 standard fragmentation grenades.

200 thermal detonators.

1,000 medical kits.

25 concussion missiles and 4 ship-mountable concussion missile launchers.

250 Rebel soldiers (all human) with a normal combat load.

Crew of 150 to operate the transport (mainly human).

The X-wings are fully operational, but they are only outfitted with 3 proton torpedoes each. The transport is not carrying any extra proton torpedoes.

Cal Hudson, a former Starfleet officer leading the Maquis, finds the transport after picking up its distress call.

What happens next? Do the Maquis successfully convince the Rebels to support them or do the Rebels take a different course of action? If the Rebels do decide to help the Maquis, does it make a difference in the outcome of their struggle against the Cardassians and eventually the Dominion?

Feel free to make suggestions as to what else the transport would be carrying.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-03 07:17pm

Even a Rebel Transport with one medium laser canon will make a mess of the Cardassian Fleet. However it depends on the Commander, if he is sympathetic to the maquis the Cardies will be in trouble, however his priority would be to try and get home, not help the maquis

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-03 07:19pm

I will asume the Rebels decide to take up the Maquie Cause veiwing them as brothers. I also assume they know there is no going home. They would be able to help the Maquie cut a large swath into cardassian space and maybe even set up their own "Empire" in the zone. The ship should have had enough engineers onboard in order to build new missiles and blasters but it will take them a while to put the facilities togather. A real army adept at covert ops would cause quite a stir in this area.

Ronaldo · Post by **Ronaldo** » 2004-02-03 07:44pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Even a Rebel Transport with one medium laser canon will make a mess of the Cardassian Fleet. However it depends on the Commander, if he is sympathetic to the maquis the Cardies will be in trouble, however his priority would be to try and get home, not help the maquis

Let us assume for the sake of this scenario that the Rebels have analyzed the situation and realize that they will not be able to get back home.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-02-03 08:18pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Even a Rebel Transport with one medium laser canon will make a mess of the Cardassian Fleet. However it depends on the Commander, if he is sympathetic to the maquis the Cardies will be in trouble, however his priority would be to try and get home, not help the maquis

One medium laser? What's the yield of a medium laser?

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-02-03 09:01pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:Even a Rebel Transport with one medium laser canon will make a mess of the Cardassian Fleet. However it depends on the Commander, if he is sympathetic to the maquis the Cardies will be in trouble, however his priority would be to try and get home, not help the maquis
One medium laser? What's the yield of a medium laser?

If you mean medium turbolaser, then its ~ 22 GT.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2004-02-03 09:34pm

YT300000 wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Lord Pounder wrote:Even a Rebel Transport with one medium laser canon will make a mess of the Cardassian Fleet. However it depends on the Commander, if he is sympathetic to the maquis the Cardies will be in trouble, however his priority would be to try and get home, not help the maquis
One medium laser? What's the yield of a medium laser?
If you mean medium turbolaser, then its ~ 22 GT.

Right, but the weapon here is stated just to be a medium laser...no turbo. Could it have the same yield as the point defense lasers on an ISD?

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-02-03 10:01pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:Right, but the weapon here is stated just to be a medium laser...no turbo. Could it have the same yield as the point defense lasers on an ISD?

*Shrugs* Maybe. I've never seen a ML in SW.

Ronaldo · Post by **Ronaldo** » 2004-02-04 12:32am

This link from starwars.com shows the transport that is involved in the scenario. It is a medium transport armed with several laser cannons. I would imagine that the laser cannons are on a par with a starfighter's laser cannons, but I could be wrong. They are not equipped with turbolasers and unfortunately I don't know how many laser cannons they have.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/starsh ... ort/?id=eu

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2004-02-04 04:56am

http://www.galacticempiredatabank.com/GallMedTrans.html

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-02-04 09:33am

Which means they are not really good. The transports have starfighter-scale laser cannons that do 4D of damage, while the Laser Cannons of an X-Wing do 6D.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-04 10:02am

I would be inclined to say this helps the Maquis enormously. The Jem'Hadar will be slaughtered before they can even touch the Maquis - you gotta love those Rebel soldiers, who are ACTUAL soldiers - those Jemmies are in for a tough time.

Still, 2 X-wings against a Galor? I'd like to see it, but I think it pushes fighter-wankery too far. Perhaps the medium transport can be modified into a q-ship? In which case it becomes the Maquis's Home One. This sounds fairly cool.

Ronaldo · Post by **Ronaldo** » 2004-02-04 06:01pm

Stofsk wrote:I would be inclined to say this helps the Maquis enormously. The Jem'Hadar will be slaughtered before they can even touch the Maquis - you gotta love those Rebel soldiers, who are ACTUAL soldiers - those Jemmies are in for a tough time.

Still, 2 X-wings against a Galor? I'd like to see it, but I think it pushes fighter-wankery too far. Perhaps the medium transport can be modified into a q-ship? In which case it becomes the Maquis's Home One. This sounds fairly cool.

Based on the stats provided by Wild Karrde in his link, I should modify the scenario slightly.

Addendum to scenario:

The transport is equipped with four turreted twin laser cannons (starfighter scale).

The transport has a crew of 7; however, in order to evacuate as many personnel as possible, there are 43 extra personnel on the transport. The number of soldiers on the transport is also reduced to 150. The total crew complement, including soldiers, is now 200 (this includes the three combat speeder pilots).

Instead of 10 combat air speeders there are now 5.

Everything else is the same.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-05 01:40am

Stofsk wrote:I would be inclined to say this helps the Maquis enormously. The Jem'Hadar will be slaughtered before they can even touch the Maquis - you gotta love those Rebel soldiers, who are ACTUAL soldiers - those Jemmies are in for a tough time.

Still, 2 X-wings against a Galor? I'd like to see it, but I think it pushes fighter-wankery too far. Perhaps the medium transport can be modified into a q-ship? In which case it becomes the Maquis's Home One. This sounds fairly cool.

Cardassian Galors big 400 meter long powerful. Two X-Wings will not be able to destroy them without using torpedoes. And let us not forget the even more powerful Cardassian Keldons.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-02-05 02:05am

However, the medium transport is probably immune to all but maybe bomardment by an entire Cardassian fleet. So the Maquis can cobble on whatever photon torpedo launcher stuff they like and just salvo the fuckers at whomever they please. Or fuck, they could duct tape one of their raiders on the bottom of the transport and just use the shielding and hyperdrive of the transport.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-02-05 05:18am

Who proposed Maquis "home one"... What heavy stuff did the Maquis have? Because the four twin anti-fighter lasers + phasers + quantum torpedoes in the Bajoran end of the wormhole is making the Dominion War a bit shorter than it was.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2004-02-05 05:41am

I was thinking the transport could stick the concussion missle launchers to it's hull to give it an extra kick while the X-wings could have mirco-torp launchers that the Marqui use attached to them when they run out of their proton torpedoes.

Another possibility is the cargo compartments on the tranport's underbelly could be emptied and modified to house photon torp launchers and a shitload of torps. Coupled with SW targeting comps it can serve as a long range torp platform to shred enemy fleets.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-02-05 10:37am

This is probably the best example of the firepower advantage Star Wars has over Star Trek

give the Marquis one medium transport, and suddenly people are planning ways to conquer the Cardassian's...

Iamgine given them a Rebel Assault Frigate....

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-02-05 10:40am

Solauren wrote:This is probably the best example of the firepower advantage Star Wars has over Star Trek

give the Marquis one medium transport, and suddenly people are planning ways to conquer the Cardassian's...

Iamgine given them a Rebel Assault Frigate....

...and whitness the birth of the Maquis Empire

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-02-05 11:24am

It is not as much firepower advantage as shield and speed advantage. The whole of the Cardassian fleet would do short work of the transport, but single ships and even task forces are going to be shit against this "maquis" flagship.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-02-05 12:47pm

Given the power generation capabilities of a Star Wars hyperdrive, imagine this then

(assuming the Marqui and the Alliance personal figure out how to do this)
Take the medium transport
Slap on a bunch of stolen Phaser banks/cannons/emitors
Slap on a bunch of stolen Warhead launchers (and warheads)
Slap on whatever other weapons they can fit on the outer hull and link up to a firecontrol computer...

You'd have a warship that would take on the Entire Cardassian fleet without any difficulty. Imagine the look on a Gul's face when this new Marqui ship fires a broadside of 30 Photons and 60 Phaser blasts with no apparent loss to over-all ships power...

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-05 12:59pm

The problem: is it possible to slap on all those Federation weapons to a SW ship? What happens when the equipment breaks down (which is already a danger)? What happens when the X-wings fire all their torpedos?

Does the Medium Transport carry any manufacturing equipment, as well as those hungry troops?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-02-05 01:54pm

Ignoring tech differences, and just going by size and power requirements (remember, I said if they can figure out how to get there systems to work with each other), the only consideration would be room.

Considering we are talking about transports, they are designed to have lots of room and cargo space.

Attach a bunch of Galaxy class phaser banks to the outer hull, and install a bunch of warhead launchers in the sides. Use the cargo hold to hold stolen torpedoes, and install a few transporters.

If you need spare parts, go find a non-Marquis starship, take out it's shields, beam it's crew into space or the cargo hold (Cardassians would probably end up in space), attach some tow cables, and hyperjump (you can tow ships via cables in hyperspace, shown in the Thrawn trilogy) to your base to either salvage parts, or assign a new crew.

Come to think of it, if used intelligently, you wouldn't need to give the Marqis a Rebel Assault Frigate, the transport's speed and shield advantage could let you capture a large number of enemy ships. Just stick your flag on the captured ships, and build yourself a nice fleet....

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-02-05 02:23pm

Solauren wrote:Ignoring tech differences, and just going by size and power requirements (remember, I said if they can figure out how to get there systems to work with each other), the only consideration would be room.

Considering we are talking about transports, they are designed to have lots of room and cargo space.

Attach a bunch of Galaxy class phaser banks to the outer hull, and install a bunch of warhead launchers in the sides. Use the cargo hold to hold stolen torpedoes, and install a few transporters.

If you need spare parts, go find a non-Marquis starship, take out it's shields, beam it's crew into space or the cargo hold (Cardassians would probably end up in space), attach some tow cables, and hyperjump (you can tow ships via cables in hyperspace, shown in the Thrawn trilogy) to your base to either salvage parts, or assign a new crew.

Come to think of it, if used intelligently, you wouldn't need to give the Marqis a Rebel Assault Frigate, the transport's speed and shield advantage could let you capture a large number of enemy ships. Just stick your flag on the captured ships, and build yourself a nice fleet....

But do they have the people to crew all those captured starships?

Ronaldo · Post by **Ronaldo** » 2004-02-05 02:45pm

Stofsk wrote:The problem: is it possible to slap on all those Federation weapons to a SW ship? What happens when the equipment breaks down (which is already a danger)? What happens when the X-wings fire all their torpedos?

Does the Medium Transport carry any manufacturing equipment, as well as those hungry troops?

Another thing to consider regarding the X-wings is the limited fuel supply that they have. This would also affect the medium transport eventually. The X-wings use a lot of fuel in combat, and unless the Rebels/Maquis can produce more the X-wings would be of limited use for combat operations. I doubt that the tansport would have any sort of manufacturing equipment on it due to the fact that the Rebels did not have a lot of time to load up their gear and evacuate. They would have to start manufacturing equipment, weapons, supplies, and fuel from scratch.