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Master of Ossus wrote: How the hell does that refute my argument that Bush took things further than Clinton did, but that Clinton did little to confront terrorism?
We'll let's see here, Bush had the support of 9/11 and didn't do a damn thing about terrorism until we were attacked. Unlike you, I wouldn't being to blame someone for something that is obviously not their fault, but you can't honestly say that Bush was so gung-ho about stamping out terrorism before 9/11 happened. Futher, the FBI during his administration got reports of the 9/11 hijackers training in Florida and did nothing. I wouldn't blame Bush for this either, but you certainly can't blame Clinton.
You can't blame a president for not acting on information that he didn't even have, at the time. I've already shown that Clinton had lots of information regarding terrorism that he failed to act upon, or at least that he acted on very poorly. Are you saying that I can't question someone's response to information and events?
And also, like I said before, Clinton tried to drastically increase his counter-terroism budget in 1998, but it was shot down by House Republicans.
Wow. Not EVERY Republican agreed with me. I'm devastated. :roll:

Face it: if Clinton had wanted to do something about Al Qaeda, he would have launched more than one ineffective airstrike against an Al Qaeda target.
Hindsight is 20/20, it is so easy for you to look back and criticize without realizing that it was a different world then and Clinton didn't have the support for military action.
WTF are you talking about? Clinton sent the military in to Mogadishu. Was there significant opposition to this movement? No. Was there significant opposition to his airstrikes on Afghanistan? No. Was there significant opposition to his airstrikes in the Balkans? No. Clinton DID have the ability to use the military, even without Congressional approval. I've shown that his attempts to do so were inadequate, and you can't use the hindsight argument since I stated that he should have done more as early as 1998.
I also notice that you are indulging in an often used Republican tactic when the shit hits the fan called "Blame Clinton".
Nice ad hominem attack.
Ooooh, he decided to launch a few missiles at Afghanistan without telling Congress. This is a far cry from actually performing an invasion without telling Congress and you know it.
That's true, but it's not such a far cry from using an aircraft to attack a foreign nation without informing Congress or sending in special forces without informing Congress, which is what I advocated at the time. The use of cruise missiles was gutless and showed a lack of planning and foresight.
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The Kernel wrote:Wrong, the Republicans conducted several highly visible public attacks on Clinton during the entire conflict. Have you heard Tom DeLay's or Trent Lott's statements on the matter?
There were some Republicans that conducted attacks on Clinton's foreign policy, but by-and-large Clinton didn't have much trouble with Congress when he was dealing with foreign policy, and the opposition he faced tended to be individuals rather than the entire Republican party. I agree that Clinton didn't have the political capital to launch an all-out invasion of Afghanistan, Sudan, or any of the other nations that could do with a new government, but I think it's abundantly clear that he could have sent in special forces, attacked more targets, used aircraft, and done a lot more damage to Al Qaeda than he did.
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Joe wrote:I'm sure they did, and you would have a point if I hadn't cited Somalia as the exception.
I was referring to Kosovo actually.

Tom DeLay (May 2, 1999): "The President said if we did nothing, there would be an instability in the region. There would be a flood of refugees, Kosovars would die, and the credibility of NATO would be undermined. Well, Clinton's bombing campaign has caused all these problems to explode."

Trent Lott (May 4, 1999): "I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning. I don't think enough is being done in the diplomatic area."

Richard Lugar (May 3, 1999): "This is President Clinton's war, and when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem."
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The Kernel wrote:Wrong, the Republicans conducted several highly visible public attacks on Clinton during the entire conflict. Have you heard Tom DeLay's or Trent Lott's statements on the matter?
There were some Republicans that conducted attacks on Clinton's foreign policy, but by-and-large Clinton didn't have much trouble with Congress when he was dealing with foreign policy, and the opposition he faced tended to be individuals rather than the entire Republican party. I agree that Clinton didn't have the political capital to launch an all-out invasion of Afghanistan, Sudan, or any of the other nations that could do with a new government, but I think it's abundantly clear that he could have sent in special forces, attacked more targets, used aircraft, and done a lot more damage to Al Qaeda than he did.
Okay Ossus, I'll grant you that this statement is true. I'm still trying to figure out what that has to do with the topic at hand though.
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Master of Ossus wrote: You can't blame a president for not acting on information that he didn't even have, at the time. I've already shown that Clinton had lots of information regarding terrorism that he failed to act upon, or at least that he acted on very poorly. Are you saying that I can't question someone's response to information and events?
Well technically, Bush had the FBI report about the Middle Eastern students that didn't seem interested in learning to land a plane that were training in Florida. Are you going to blame 9/11 on him?
Wow. Not EVERY Republican agreed with me. I'm devastated. :roll:

Face it: if Clinton had wanted to do something about Al Qaeda, he would have launched more than one ineffective airstrike against an Al Qaeda target.
So what? What exactly does this have to do with the thread?
WTF are you talking about? Clinton sent the military in to Mogadishu. Was there significant opposition to this movement? No. Was there significant opposition to his airstrikes on Afghanistan? No. Was there significant opposition to his airstrikes in the Balkans? No. Clinton DID have the ability to use the military, even without Congressional approval. I've shown that his attempts to do so were inadequate, and you can't use the hindsight argument since I stated that he should have done more as early as 1998.
There was significant opposition to the Balkans incident, but forget that for a sec. Both of these operations were humanitarian missions and not invasions; and these still blew up in Clinton's face from a political perspective.
That's true, but it's not such a far cry from using an aircraft to attack a foreign nation without informing Congress or sending in special forces without informing Congress, which is what I advocated at the time. The use of cruise missiles was gutless and showed a lack of planning and foresight.
I'm sorry, but are you criticizing Clinton's choice of weapon to us here without having actually seen the intelligence reports he saw before he launched that attack? Perhaps you can explain why cruise missiles are such a "gutless" way of attacking someone.
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Darth Wong wrote: Hindsight is 20/20. It's pretty easy to say we should have used far more deadly force AFTER September 11 2001, but prior to that, we didn't have much to go on, did we?
No, it was blatantly clear that the attack was uselessly small the moment it was launched and Clinton has heavily attacked for it. Tomahawks are horrible weapons for attacking large soft targets. To do that you need to blanket a big area with a lot of explosives, that takes heavy bombers, even a single B-52 or B-1 sortie would have unloaded more explosives then the mighty total of 50 tomahawks used to hit Sudan and Afghanistan.
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Sea Skimmer wrote: No, it was blatantly clear that the attack was uselessly small the moment it was launched and Clinton has heavily attacked for it. Tomahawks are horrible weapons for attacking large soft targets. To do that you need to blanket a big area with a lot of explosives, that takes heavy bombers, even a single B-52 or B-1 sortie would have unloaded more explosives then the mighty total of 50 tomahawks used to hit Sudan and Afghanistan.
SS, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wouldn't a B-5/B-1 strike in hostile airspace require a massive operation in itself? You would have to clear SAM batteries, escort the bombers and you would still be in danger from possible Stingers right? That's a much different level of operation (which the world community, not to mention the American people might have seen as an invasion). I think that the cruise missiles were a political decision more then anything else.
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Congratulations Skimmer and Ossus, you have successfully proven that Clinton is a military imbecile, who made decisions based on politics rather than sound military thinking.

Now could somebody please explain how this exonerates the Bush Administration for exaggerating the intel for WMD in Iraq?
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The Kernel wrote:SS, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wouldn't a B-5/B-1 strike in hostile airspace require a massive operation in itself?
No. Afghanistan had no credible airforce or air defense system.
You would have to clear SAM batteries,
About all Afghanistan had is Stingers, which are useless for aircraft above a few thousand feet altitude.
escort the bombers
Against what, MiG-17's?
and you would still be in danger from possible Stingers right?
Hahaha!
That's a much different level of operation (which the world community, not to mention the American people might have seen as an invasion).
Not really, no.
I think that the cruise missiles were a political decision more then anything else.
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SS, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wouldn't a B-5/B-1 strike in hostile airspace require a massive operation in itself? You would have to clear SAM batteries, escort the bombers and you would still be in danger from possible Stingers right? That's a much different level of operation (which the world community, not to mention the American people might have seen as an invasion). I think that the cruise missiles were a political decision more then anything else.
Afghanistan had no air defense system capable of knocking down a B52 or a B-1 bomber. It had no SAM batteries, no fighters, and stingers are totally ineffective against fixed-wing aircraft when they're not taking off or landing, and are designed to attack helicopters, against which they are largely ineffective anyway. It's bullshit that the American people would see sending a strike aircraft as "an invasion," since we didn't give a damn about Clinton's airstrikes in Iraq, Clinton's airstrikes in the Balkans (which you SPECIFICALLY made a point about how that wasn't an invasion), or the many recent airstrikes against targets in Libya. Not even the Israeli mission to Entebbe was considered an invasion, even though that involved landing over a hundred commandoes on foreign soil, having violated numerous countries' airspace.
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Darth Wong wrote:Congratulations Skimmer and Ossus, you have successfully proven that Clinton is a military imbecile, who made decisions based on politics rather than sound military thinking.

Now could somebody please explain how this exonerates the Bush Administration for exaggerating the intel for WMD in Iraq?
Strawman. I never claimed it exonerated the Bush administration. I pointed out that Clinton didn't give a damn about terrorism (or, if he did, then he didn't have a clue what to do about it), and that he operated on inaccurate intelligence in dealing with WMD threats to national security (which, in his case, was substantially smaller, anyway, since he never claimed that the alleged Sudanese chemical weapon factory could target American soil). I then showed how the Bush administration's military intervention did not show that Bush had pressed the intelligence community for evidence of WMD, but merely took more seriously the threats that existed, and connected that to Clinton's failure to deal with terrorism in an effective manner.

Essentially, your claim was that the Bush administration must have faked information, since no one in the intelligence department ran around prior to Bush's taking office saying that we needed a regime change in Iraq. I pointed out that no one in the Clinton administration claimed that we should invade Afghanistan, and then posed the rhetorical question as to whether or not that meant we were in the wrong when the US launched military operations in Afghanistan, as well. You retorted by claiming that Clinton attempted to confront terrorism without launching invasions, and I showed his response to be gutless and totally inadequate.

I showed that intelligence failures of this nature are NOT unprecedented, and that only the scale had changed, and I showed that GW Bush was NOT the first president to believe intelligence showing that Iraq had WoMD. He just took that intelligence more seriously than Clinton did. Thus, the thread title has been thoroughly rebutted (unless Clinton is also to be termed a fool or a liar), and we can all get on with our lives.
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Master of Ossus wrote: Essentially, your claim was that the Bush administration must have faked information, since no one in the intelligence department ran around prior to Bush's taking office saying that we needed a regime change in Iraq. I pointed out that no one in the Clinton administration claimed that we should invade Afghanistan, and then posed the rhetorical question as to whether or not that meant we were in the wrong when the US launched military operations in Afghanistan, as well. You retorted by claiming that Clinton attempted to confront terrorism without launching invasions, and I showed his response to be gutless and totally inadequate.
So the proper response is using trumped up evidence to declare war eh?

The only thing this proves is that Bush is better at manufacturing a threat for the American people to get behind then Clinton.
I showed that intelligence failures of this nature are NOT unprecedented, and that only the scale had changed, and I showed that GW Bush was NOT the first president to believe intelligence showing that Iraq had WoMD. He just took that intelligence more seriously than Clinton did. Thus, the thread title has been thoroughly rebutted (unless Clinton is also to be termed a fool or a liar), and we can all get on with our lives.
You have to prove that it was indeed an intelligence failure when we knew long before the Iraq invasion that the "evidence" that Powell presented to the UN was utter bullshit. Why is this so hard to understand?

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Master of Ossus wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Congratulations Skimmer and Ossus, you have successfully proven that Clinton is a military imbecile, who made decisions based on politics rather than sound military thinking.

Now could somebody please explain how this exonerates the Bush Administration for exaggerating the intel for WMD in Iraq?
Strawman. I never claimed it exonerated the Bush administration. I pointed out that Clinton didn't give a damn about terrorism (or, if he did, then he didn't have a clue what to do about it), and that he operated on inaccurate intelligence in dealing with WMD threats to national security (which, in his case, was substantially smaller, anyway, since he never claimed that the alleged Sudanese chemical weapon factory could target American soil). I then showed how the Bush administration's military intervention did not show that Bush had pressed the intelligence community for evidence of WMD, but merely took more seriously the threats that existed, and connected that to Clinton's failure to deal with terrorism in an effective manner.

Essentially, your claim was that the Bush administration must have faked information, since no one in the intelligence department ran around prior to Bush's taking office saying that we needed a regime change in Iraq. I pointed out that no one in the Clinton administration claimed that we should invade Afghanistan, and then posed the rhetorical question as to whether or not that meant we were in the wrong when the US launched military operations in Afghanistan, as well. You retorted by claiming that Clinton attempted to confront terrorism without launching invasions, and I showed his response to be gutless and totally inadequate.

I showed that intelligence failures of this nature are NOT unprecedented, and that only the scale had changed, and I showed that GW Bush was NOT the first president to believe intelligence showing that Iraq had WoMD. He just took that intelligence more seriously than Clinton did. Thus, the thread title has been thoroughly rebutted (unless Clinton is also to be termed a fool or a liar), and we can all get on with our lives.
Hmmm. So proving Bill Clinton made mistakes now rebuts the fact that the Bush Administration lied and exaggerated intel? What kind of twisted proof is that? That's like saying we should excuse corrupt CEO's if their predecessors were also corrupt. Oh wait, you've slipped a condition in that if Bush is a liar and a fool, so is Clinton. So what? What's Clinton got to do with Bush spinning the shit? Clinton is a red herring here.
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Master of Ossus wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Congratulations Skimmer and Ossus, you have successfully proven that Clinton is a military imbecile, who made decisions based on politics rather than sound military thinking.

Now could somebody please explain how this exonerates the Bush Administration for exaggerating the intel for WMD in Iraq?
Strawman. I never claimed it exonerated the Bush administration.
Then it has nothing to do with this thread, and is nothing more than a red herring.
I pointed out that Clinton didn't give a damn about terrorism (or, if he did, then he didn't have a clue what to do about it), and that he operated on inaccurate intelligence in dealing with WMD threats to national security (which, in his case, was substantially smaller, anyway, since he never claimed that the alleged Sudanese chemical weapon factory could target American soil).
And my answer (which I shall repeat in large letters since it seems to have bounced off your skull) was that CLINTON NEVER INVADED A FOREIGN NATION ON THE BASIS OF SAID INTEL, BECAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY WASN'T CONSIDERED STRONG ENOUGH. BUSH EXAGGERATED IT. All of your horseshit attempts to change the subject to Clinton have nothing to do with the point. You're basically saying "Oh yeah? Well Clinton ... made a couple of extremely cautious ... pinprick strikes ... based on bad intel too ... so there." Ooooohh, get back to me when you can deal with the point of this thread instead of furiously hand-waving.
I showed that intelligence failures of this nature are NOT unprecedented, and that only the scale had changed, and I showed that GW Bush was NOT the first president to believe intelligence showing that Iraq had WoMD. He just took that intelligence more seriously than Clinton did.
WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT, since the intel was not solid enough to invade a foreign nation when Clinton was in office, but it suddenly became rock-solid when Bush was in office.
Thus, the thread title has been thoroughly rebutted (unless Clinton is also to be termed a fool or a liar), and we can all get on with our lives.
Wrong. Try again.
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WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT, since the intel was not solid enough to invade a foreign nation when Clinton was in office, but it suddenly became rock-solid when Bush was in office.
The intelligence was apparently strong enough that Clinton felt confident in authorizing cruise missile strikes on various Iraqi targets.

That Bush interpreted this same intelligence with greater urgency - especially after the events of September 11, which did a great deal to change our perception of the effect of small nations on their larger neighbors in the international system - is not a crime.
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Darth Wong wrote:WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT, since the intel was not solid enough to invade a foreign nation when Clinton was in office, but it suddenly became rock-solid when Bush was in office.
The intelligence was apparently strong enough that Clinton felt confident in authorizing cruise missile strikes on various Iraqi targets.
Cruise missile strikes < Invasion/War.
That Bush interpreted this same intelligence with greater urgency - especially after the events of September 11, which did a great deal to change our perception of the effect of small nations on their larger neighbors in the international system - is not a crime.
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WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT, since the intel was not solid enough to invade a foreign nation when Clinton was in office, but it suddenly became rock-solid when Bush was in office.
The intelligence was apparently strong enough that Clinton felt confident in authorizing cruise missile strikes on various Iraqi targets.

That Bush interpreted this same intelligence with greater urgency - especially after the events of September 11, which did a great deal to change our perception of the effect of small nations on their larger neighbors in the international system - is not a crime.
Clinton bombed countries to "wag the dog", he also bombed an asprin factory to fight "terrorism" based on shoddy evidence, appealing to Clinton's intel dosen't strengthen your case.
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You know, I do find it rather amusing that the Bush defenders are now trying to defend Bush's integrity by saying that it approaches that of Clinton ... who they spent years accusing of being the worst liar and horrible example of dishonesty in the history of the Union :lol: :lol:
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Cruise missile strikes < Invasion/War.
It’s the same rationale, the difference becoming a matter of devotion of resources.

If one has grounds for peppering their military installations with missiles, one technically has grounds for invasion, as well.
Bullshit.
You will now quote me the relevant law prohibiting one president from making different decisions based on the same evidence as others once had.
Clinton bombed countries to "wag the dog", he also bombed an asprin factory to fight "terrorism" based on shoddy evidence, appealing to Clinton's intel dosen't strengthen your case.
Not all of Clinton’s intelligence was shoddy. It was during his time in office that Iraq was demonstrably non-cooperative.
You know, I do find it rather amusing that the Bush defenders are now trying to defend Bush's integrity by saying that it approaches that of Clinton ... who they spent years accusing of being the worst liar and horrible example of dishonesty in the history of the Union
I hope you have some relevant quotations; I’m certainly eager to relive that somehow forgotten portion of my life through your retelling.

Trying to argue that Republicans cannot defend Bush because of the actions of certain Senators several years ago is ridiculous. I am not personally responsible for the pursuit of partisan politics on Capitol Hill.
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Axis Kast wrote:
Cruise missile strikes < Invasion/War.
It’s the same rationale, the difference becoming a matter of devotion of resources.

If one has grounds for peppering their military installations with missiles, one technically has grounds for invasion, as well.
No, fool, it's a question of proportionate response, and the bar is always higher for justifications for war.
Bullshit.
You will now quote me the relevant law prohibiting one president from making different decisions based on the same evidence as others once had.
In point of fact, the terms of the UN Charter justify preemptive war only in cases where imminent threat actually is evident, but that is not the crux of the argument here. The "bullshit" charge is aimed at you again flogging the "9/11 changes everything" excuse for launching a war on lies and exaggerated "evidence" which didn't even have the credibility of any intelligence Clinton relied upon. As noted:
Comical Axi wrote:That Bush interpreted this same intelligence with greater urgency - especially after the events of September 11, which did a great deal to change our perception of the effect of small nations on their larger neighbors in the international system - is not a crime.
In any case, your retreat behind a screen of legalism is about as pathetic as any other argument you've mustered to try to justify the late war and those who misled us into it.
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No, fool, it's a question of proportionate response, and the bar is always higher for justifications for war.
Proportionate response is an element of strategy; if you’re firing cruise missiles, it is generally assumed that one has a reason. That reason can then function as casus belli.
In point of fact, the terms of the UN Charter justify preemptive war only in cases where imminent threat actually is evident, but that is not the crux of the argument here.
And the UN Charter is not the defining basis on which I make my national security determinations.
In point of fact, the terms of the UN Charter justify preemptive war only in cases where imminent threat actually is evident, but that is not the crux of the argument here.
Then why don’t you present to us the intelligence that Clinton relied upon?

You also realize that there was no way of corroborating the data contained in any of the intelligence reports without putting men on the ground to do so – and that means something more than Hans Blix, who was still forced to operate in the shadow of a deceptive regime.

Even David Kay has attested that the CIA does not appear to have been pressured, but rather duped as pertains to certain accusations. But that’s beside the point, since you’ll note that earlier in the thread, I already addressed the legitimacy of his overall search and conclusions.
In any case, your retreat behind a screen of legalism is about as pathetic as any other argument you've mustered to try to justify the late war and those who misled us into it.
It certainly proves that one needn’t be a conventional threat to cause major problems in the world today.
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No, fool, it's a question of proportionate response, and the bar is always higher for justifications for war.
Proportionate response is an element of strategy; if you’re firing cruise missiles, it is generally assumed that one has a reason. That reason can then function as casus belli.
More bullshit. Scale of aggressive act determines proportion of response. According to your fucked-up logic, the Soviet downing of KAL 007 would have provided sufficent justification for a full-scale war
In point of fact, the terms of the UN Charter justify preemptive war only in cases where imminent threat actually is evident, but that is not the crux of the argument here.
And the UN Charter is not the defining basis on which I make my national security determinations.
No, you just resort fo Hitler's brand of reasoning, as always.
In point of fact, the terms of the UN Charter justify preemptive war only in cases where imminent threat actually is evident, but that is not the crux of the argument here.
Then why don’t you present to us the intelligence that Clinton relied upon?
While I can't do that for lack of access, I do recall that neither he nor any of his minions ever presented material from plagerised college term-papers, halfway-unintelligible phone conversations in Arabic, or scratchy sixth-generation video as "evidence" of anything.
You also realize that there was no way of corroborating the data contained in any of the intelligence reports without putting men on the ground to do so – and that means something more than Hans Blix, who was still forced to operate in the shadow of a deceptive regime.
The same tired argument you flogged the last three times you embarassed yourself on this board over this issue, and yet the findings to date have confirmed Blix.
Even David Kay has attested that the CIA does not appear to have been pressured, but rather duped as pertains to certain accusations. But that’s beside the point, since you’ll note that earlier in the thread, I already addressed the legitimacy of his overall search and conclusions.
As long as we ignore the qualifiers attesting to the uncertainty level over any of their conclusions regarding Saddam's alledged WMD stockpiles, that argument flies. Unfortunately, those qualifiers were made and Kay is simply trying to cover his ass while assisting in the White House's effort to lay the blame on the CIA for "bad advice" in making the decision for war.
In any case, your retreat behind a screen of legalism is about as pathetic as any other argument you've mustered to try to justify the late war and those who misled us into it.
It certainly proves that one needn’t be a conventional threat to cause major problems in the world today.
That proves exactly dick. The entire argument for going to war with Iraq was Saddam's alledged possession of a vast WMD arsenal and its imminent threat to the U.S. Afganistan and 9/11 are Red Herrings and remain so no matter how many times you continue to flog them.
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WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT, since the intel was not solid enough to invade a foreign nation when Clinton was in office, but it suddenly became rock-solid when Bush was in office.
The intelligence was apparently strong enough that Clinton felt confident in authorizing cruise missile strikes on various Iraqi targets.

That Bush interpreted this same intelligence with greater urgency - especially after the events of September 11, which did a great deal to change our perception of the effect of small nations on their larger neighbors in the international system - is not a crime.
And what did 9/11 ever have to do with Iraq?
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And what did 9/11 ever have to do with Iraq?
*blah blah blah we got hit on 9/11 blah blah blah we can't sit and wait for terrorists to attack us blah blah blah dire threat blah blah blah what if the 9/11 terrorists had Iraq's death-dealing UAVs blah blah*

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Before Comical Axi can start shoveling up his inevitable bullshit, a few inconvenient facts:

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Uranium Claim Was Known for Months to Be Weak
Intelligence Officials Say 'Everyone Knew' Then What White House Knows Now About Niger Reference

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, July 20, 2003; Page A22

The White House repeated a familiar retort last week to defend itself against allegations that President Bush used discredited information in his State of the Union speech about Iraq shopping for uranium oxide in Africa: "If we knew [then] what we knew today, we wouldn't have done it," as a White House official, demanding anonymity, said to a roomful of reporters Friday.

But recent revelations by officials at the CIA, the State Department, the United Nations, in Congress and elsewhere make clear that the weakness of the claim in the State of the Union speech was known and accepted by a wide circle of intelligence and diplomatic personnel scrutinizing information on Iraqi weapons programs months before the speech.

"Everyone knew" the letters purporting to prove Iraq's effort to acquire uranium in Niger "were not good," said one senior administration decision-maker who otherwise supported the president's decision to go to war in Iraq. "The White House response has been baffling. This is relatively inconsequential. Why don't they tell the truth?"


Inconsequential or not, even the Italian journalist who gave the documents to the U.S. Embassy in Rome nine months ago told reporters yesterday that when she returned from a trip to Niger to check them out, she told her editor that "the story seemed fake to me" and published nothing on it.

Elisabetta Burba, a foreign correspondent for the Italian news magazine Panorama, said in an interview with the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, "I realized that this could be a worldwide scoop, but that's exactly why I was very worried. If it turned out to be a hoax, and I published it, I would have ended my career."

For the past weeks, White House efforts to explain how that hoax, and other information about African uranium purchases, ended up in government releases and speeches have contradicted information from other U.S. officials involved in verifying the president's remarks before he speaks.

For instance, on Friday the White House briefer said that the only statement CIA Director George J. Tenet had successfully persuaded deputy national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley to take out of the president's Oct. 7 speech in Cincinnati was a reference to "over 500 tons of uranium." He said that was removed because it was "single-sourced" intelligence.

But yesterday, a senior administration official with knowledge of the Tenet-Hadley conversation disputed the White House version. "The line he asked to take out wasn't about 500 tons of uranium or a single source. It was about Africa and uranium," the official said. Even the broader assertion about Africa "wasn't firm enough. It was shaky."

Technically, the Niger documents were publicly declared to be forgeries on March 7 by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the U.N. agency that had monitored Iraq's nuclear-related activity and had received the documents from U.S officials a month earlier, on Feb. 5.


But "long before the journalist came up with the documents," said the senior administration official, "there were broader concerns that the government couldn't verify."

Those concerns dated from late 2001, when U.S. intelligence officials obtained information "from two western intelligence sources" and other overt sources, according to an April 29 letter to Congress from the State Department "on behalf of the President."

In February 2002, the CIA dispatched former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, a 23-year career diplomat with postings in Africa and Iraq, to check out those reports. He returned unconvinced, and the CIA cabled his doubts around the intelligence community and to the National Security Council on March 9, 2002. While not definitive, Wilson's assessment fit with the skepticism already existing on the subject. Wilson's report was "not memorable" because it confirmed previously held doubts, said several U.S. officials.

In September 2002, the story of Iraq's interest in uranium from Africa was first made public in a British government dossier on Iraq's weapons program. Tenet and top aides, who appeared days later before two congressional committees, were asked about the British claim.

Tenet told lawmakers that there were reports of Iraqi attempts to buy uranium but that there were doubts about the reports' accuracy. Not a week later, the CIA circulated a classified National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq. Neither allegation -- that Iraq sought uranium in Africa or Niger -- made it into the document's "key judgments" section, according to portions of the NIE made public Friday.

On page 25, however, the NIE stated that a foreign government had reported that Niger "planned to send several tons of pure uranium (probably yellowcake) to Iraq. . . . We do not know the status of this arrangement." On the same page, it cites reports indicating Iraq's approaches to Somalia and Congo. "We cannot confirm whether Iraq succeeded in acquiring uranium ore and/or yellowcake from these sources," the NIE stated.

On page 84, the State Department's intelligence bureau, in a dissenting analysis, said "claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are . . . highly dubious." No references to Iraq seeking yellowcake from Niger, Congo, Somalia or anywhere else appeared in the NIE that was publicly released on Oct. 4.

One reason for the public omission was the widespread skepticism about the claims, described by the senior official as "so much for so long."

Days after the Italian journalist Burba handed the documents to the U.S. Embassy in Rome on Oct. 11, intelligence officials had nearly completely discounted their substance, which mirrored the reports Wilson and others had discounted eight months earlier. In fact, when the State Department's intelligence branch distributed the documents on Oct. 16 to the CIA and other intelligence agencies, it included a caveat that the claims were of "dubious authenticity."

Similar caveats were included by the U.S. Mission to the IAEA in Vienna when the documents were turned over there on Feb. 5, said an official familiar with documents submitted.


Four months later, in June, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insisted that the White House had been unaware of these previous doubts. "We wouldn't have put it in the speech if we had known what we know now," Rice said. "I can assure you that the president did not knowingly, before the American people, say something that we thought to be false. It's outrageous that anybody would claim that."

Staff writer Walter Pincus contributed to this report.
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WHO LIED TO WHOM?
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Why did the Administration endorse a forgery about Iraq’s nuclear program?
Issue of 2003-03-31
Posted 2003-03-24

Last September 24th, as Congress prepared to vote on the resolution authorizing President George W. Bush to wage war in Iraq, a group of senior intelligence officials, including George Tenet, the Director of Central Intelligence, briefed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Iraq’s weapons capability. It was an important presentation for the Bush Administration. Some Democrats were publicly questioning the President’s claim that Iraq still possessed weapons of mass destruction which posed an immediate threat to the United States. Just the day before, former Vice-President Al Gore had sharply criticized the Administration’s advocacy of preëmptive war, calling it a doctrine that would replace “a world in which states consider themselves subject to law” with “the notion that there is no law but the discretion of the President of the United States.” A few Democrats were also considering putting an alternative resolution before Congress.

According to two of those present at the briefing, which was highly classified and took place in the committee’s secure hearing room, Tenet declared, as he had done before, that a shipment of high-strength aluminum tubes that was intercepted on its way to Iraq had been meant for the construction of centrifuges that could be used to produce enriched uranium. The suitability of the tubes for that purpose had been disputed, but this time the argument that Iraq had a nuclear program under way was buttressed by a new and striking fact: the C.I.A. had recently received intelligence showing that, between 1999 and 2001, Iraq had attempted to buy five hundred tons of uranium oxide from Niger, one of the world’s largest producers. The uranium, known as “yellow cake,” can be used to make fuel for nuclear reactors; if processed differently, it can also be enriched to make weapons. Five tons can produce enough weapon-grade uranium for a bomb. (When the C.I.A. spokesman William Harlow was asked for comment, he denied that Tenet had briefed the senators on Niger.)

On the same day, in London, Tony Blair’s government made public a dossier containing much of the information that the Senate committee was being given in secret—that Iraq had sought to buy “significant quantities of uranium” from an unnamed African country, “despite having no active civil nuclear power programme that could require it.” The allegation attracted immediate attention; a headline in the London Guardian declared, “african gangs offer route to uranium.”

Two days later, Secretary of State Colin Powell, appearing before a closed hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, also cited Iraq’s attempt to obtain uranium from Niger as evidence of its persistent nuclear ambitions. The testimony from Tenet and Powell helped to mollify the Democrats, and two weeks later the resolution passed overwhelmingly, giving the President a congressional mandate for a military assault on Iraq.

On December 19th, Washington, for the first time, publicly identified Niger as the alleged seller of the nuclear materials, in a State Department position paper that rhetorically asked, “Why is the Iraqi regime hiding their uranium procurement?” (The charge was denied by both Iraq and Niger.) A former high-level intelligence official told me that the information on Niger was judged serious enough to include in the President’s Daily Brief, known as the P.D.B., one of the most sensitive intelligence documents in the American system. Its information is supposed to be carefully analyzed, or “scrubbed.” Distribution of the two- or three-page early-morning report, which is prepared by the C.I.A., is limited to the President and a few other senior officials. The P.D.B. is not made available, for example, to any members of the Senate or House Intelligence Committees. “I don’t think anybody here sees that thing,” a State Department analyst told me. “You only know what’s in the P.D.B. because it echoes—people talk about it.”

President Bush cited the uranium deal, along with the aluminum tubes, in his State of the Union Message, on January 28th, while crediting Britain as the source of the information: “The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” He commented, “Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide.”

Then the story fell apart. On March 7th, Mohamed ElBaradei, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, in Vienna, told the U.N. Security Council that the documents involving the Niger-Iraq uranium sale were fakes. “The I.A.E.A. has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents . . . are in fact not authentic,” ElBaradei said.

One senior I.A.E.A. official went further. He told me, “These documents are so bad that I cannot imagine that they came from a serious intelligence agency. It depresses me, given the low quality of the documents, that it was not stopped. At the level it reached, I would have expected more checking.”

The I.A.E.A. had first sought the documents last fall, shortly after the British government released its dossier. After months of pleading by the I.A.E.A., the United States turned them over to Jacques Baute, who is the director of the agency’s Iraq Nuclear Verification Office.

It took Baute’s team only a few hours to determine that the documents were fake. The agency had been given about a half-dozen letters and other communications between officials in Niger and Iraq, many of them written on letterheads of the Niger government. The problems were glaring. One letter, dated October 10, 2000, was signed with the name of Allele Habibou, a Niger Minister of Foreign Affairs and Coöperation, who had been out of office since 1989. Another letter, allegedly from Tandja Mamadou, the President of Niger, had a signature that had obviously been faked and a text with inaccuracies so egregious, the senior I.A.E.A. official said, that “they could be spotted by someone using Google on the Internet.”

The large quantity of uranium involved should have been another warning sign. Niger’s “yellow cake” comes from two uranium mines controlled by a French company, with its entire output presold to nuclear power companies in France, Japan, and Spain. “Five hundred tons can’t be siphoned off without anyone noticing,” another I.A.E.A. official told me.


This official told me that the I.A.E.A. has not been able to determine who actually prepared the documents. “It could be someone who intercepted faxes in Israel, or someone at the headquarters of the Niger Foreign Ministry, in Niamey. We just don’t know,” the official said. “Somebody got old letterheads and signatures, and cut and pasted.” Some I.A.E.A. investigators suspected that the inspiration for the documents was a trip that the Iraqi Ambassador to Italy took to several African countries, including Niger, in February, 1999. They also speculated that MI6—the branch of British intelligence responsible for foreign operations—had become involved, perhaps through contacts in Italy, after the Ambassador’s return to Rome.

Baute, according to the I.A.E.A. official, “confronted the United States with the forgery: ‘What do you have to say?’ They had nothing to say.”

ElBaradei’s disclosure has not been disputed by any government or intelligence official in Washington or London. Colin Powell, asked about the forgery during a television interview two days after ElBaradei’s report, dismissed the subject by saying, “If that issue is resolved, that issue is resolved.” A few days later, at a House hearing, he denied that anyone in the United States government had anything to do with the forgery. “It came from other sources,” Powell testified. “It was provided in good faith to the inspectors.”

The forgery became the object of widespread, and bitter, questions in Europe about the credibility of the United States. But it initially provoked only a few news stories in America, and little sustained questioning about how the White House could endorse such an obvious fake. On March 8th, an American official who had reviewed the documents was quoted in the Washington Post as explaining, simply, “We fell for it.”

The Bush Administration’s reliance on the Niger documents may, however, have stemmed from more than bureaucratic carelessness or political overreaching. Forged documents and false accusations have been an element in U.S. and British policy toward Iraq at least since the fall of 1997, after an impasse over U.N. inspections. Then as now, the Security Council was divided, with the French, the Russians, and the Chinese telling the United States and the United Kingdom that they were being too tough on the Iraqis. President Bill Clinton, weakened by the impeachment proceedings, hinted of renewed bombing, but, then as now, the British and the Americans were losing the battle for international public opinion. A former Clinton Administration official told me that London had resorted to, among other things, spreading false information about Iraq. The British propaganda program—part of its Information Operations, or I/Ops—was known to a few senior officials in Washington. “I knew that was going on,” the former Clinton Administration official said of the British efforts. “We were getting ready for action in Iraq, and we wanted the Brits to prepare.”

Over the next year, a former American intelligence officer told me, at least one member of the U.N. inspection team who supported the American and British position arranged for dozens of unverified and unverifiable intelligence reports and tips—data known as inactionable intelligence—to be funnelled to MI6 operatives and quietly passed along to newspapers in London and elsewhere. “It was intelligence that was crap, and that we couldn’t move on, but the Brits wanted to plant stories in England and around the world,” the former officer said. There was a series of clandestine meetings with MI6, at which documents were provided, as well as quiet meetings, usually at safe houses in the Washington area. The British propaganda scheme eventually became known to some members of the U.N. inspection team. “I knew a bit,” one official still on duty at U.N. headquarters acknowledged last week, “but I was never officially told about it.”

None of the past and present officials I spoke with were able to categorically state that the fake Niger documents were created or instigated by the same propaganda office in MI6 that had been part of the anti-Iraq propaganda wars in the late nineteen-nineties. (An MI6 intelligence source declined to comment.) Press reports in the United States and elsewhere have suggested other possible sources: the Iraqi exile community, the Italians, the French. What is generally agreed upon, a congressional intelligence-committee staff member told me, is that the Niger documents were initially circulated by the British—President Bush said as much in his State of the Union speech—and that “the Brits placed more stock in them than we did.” It is also clear, as the former high-level intelligence official told me, that “something as bizarre as Niger raises suspicions everywhere.”

What went wrong? Did a poorly conceived propaganda effort by British intelligence, whose practices had been known for years to senior American officials, manage to move, without significant challenge, through the top layers of the American intelligence community and into the most sacrosanct of Presidential briefings? Who permitted it to go into the President’s State of the Union speech? Was the message—the threat posed by Iraq—more important than the integrity of the intelligence-vetting process? Was the Administration lying to itself? Or did it deliberately give Congress and the public what it knew to be bad information?

Asked to respond, Harlow, the C.I.A. spokesman, said that the agency had not obtained the actual documents until early this year, after the President’s State of the Union speech and after the congressional briefings, and therefore had been unable to evaluate them in a timely manner. Harlow refused to respond to questions about the role of Britain’s MI6. Harlow’s statement does not, of course, explain why the agency left the job of exposing the embarrassing forgery to the I.A.E.A. It puts the C.I.A. in an unfortunate position: it is, essentially, copping a plea of incompetence.

The chance for American intelligence to challenge the documents came as the Administration debated whether to pass them on to ElBaradei. The former high-level intelligence official told me that some senior C.I.A. officials were aware that the documents weren’t trustworthy. “It’s not a question as to whether they were marginal. They can’t be ‘sort of’ bad, or ‘sort of’ ambiguous. They knew it was a fraud—it was useless. Everybody bit their tongue and said, ‘Wouldn’t it be great if the Secretary of State said this?’ The Secretary of State never saw the documents.” He added, “He’s absolutely apoplectic about it.” (A State Department spokesman was unable to comment.) A former intelligence officer told me that some questions about the authenticity of the Niger documents were raised inside the government by analysts at the Department of Energy and the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research. However, these warnings were not heeded.

“Somebody deliberately let something false get in there,” the former high-level intelligence official added. “It could not have gotten into the system without the agency being involved. Therefore it was an internal intention. Someone set someone up.” (The White House declined to comment.)

Washington’s case that the Iraqi regime had failed to meet its obligation to give up weapons of mass destruction was, of course, based on much more than a few documents of questionable provenance from a small African nation. But George W. Bush’s war against Iraq has created enormous anxiety throughout the world—in part because one side is a superpower and the other is not. It can’t help the President’s case, or his international standing, when his advisers brief him with falsehoods, whether by design or by mistake.

On March 14th, Senator Jay Rockefeller, of West Virginia, the senior Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, formally asked Robert Mueller, the F.B.I. director, to investigate the forged documents. Rockefeller had voted for the resolution authorizing force last fall. Now he wrote to Mueller, “There is a possibility that the fabrication of these documents may be part of a larger deception campaign aimed at manipulating public opinion and foreign policy regarding Iraq.” He urged the F.B.I. to ascertain the source of the documents, the skill-level of the forgery, the motives of those responsible, and “why the intelligence community did not recognize the documents were fabricated.” A Rockefeller aide told me that the F.B.I. had promised to look into it.
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IRAQ'S NUCLEAR FILE : Inside the Prewar Debate
Depiction of Threat Outgrew Supporting Evidence

By Barton Gellman and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, August 10, 2003; Page A01

His name was Joe, from the U.S. government. He carried 40 classified slides and a message from the Bush administration.

An engineer-turned-CIA analyst, Joe had helped build the U.S. government case that Iraq posed a nuclear threat. He landed in Vienna on Jan. 22 and drove to the U.S. diplomatic mission downtown. In a conference room 32 floors above the Danube River, he told United Nations nuclear inspectors they were making a serious mistake.

At issue was Iraq's efforts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes. The U.S. government said those tubes were for centrifuges to enrich uranium for a nuclear bomb. But the IAEA, the world's nuclear watchdog, had uncovered strong evidence that Iraq was using them for conventional rockets.

Joe described the rocket story as a transparent Iraqi lie. According to people familiar with his presentation, which circulated before and afterward among government and outside specialists, Joe said the specialized aluminum in the tubes was "overspecified," "inappropriate" and "excessively strong." No one, he told the inspectors, would waste the costly alloy on a rocket.

In fact, there was just such a rocket. According to knowledgeable U.S. and overseas sources, experts from U.S. national laboratories reported in December to the Energy Department and U.S. intelligence analysts that Iraq was manufacturing copies of the Italian-made Medusa 81. Not only the Medusa's alloy, but also its dimensions, to the fraction of a millimeter, matched the disputed aluminum tubes.

A CIA spokesman asked that Joe's last name be withheld for his safety, and said he would not be made available for an interview. The spokesman said the tubes in question "are not the same as the Medusa 81" but would not identify what distinguishes them. In an interview, CIA Director George J. Tenet said several different U.S. intelligence agencies believed the tubes could be used to build gas centrifuges for a uranium enrichment program.

The Vienna briefing was one among many private and public forums in which the Bush administration portrayed a menacing Iraqi nuclear threat, even as important features of its evidence were being undermined. There were other White House assertions about forbidden weapons programs, including biological and chemical arms, for which there was consensus among analysts. But the danger of a nuclear-armed Saddam Hussein, more potent as an argument for war, began with weaker evidence and grew weaker still in the three months before war.

This article is based on interviews with analysts and policymakers inside and outside the U.S. government, and access to internal documents and technical evidence not previously made public.

The new information indicates a pattern in which President Bush, Vice President Cheney and their subordinates -- in public and behind the scenes -- made allegations depicting Iraq's nuclear weapons program as more active, more certain and more imminent in its threat than the data they had would support. On occasion administration advocates withheld evidence that did not conform to their views. The White House seldom corrected misstatements or acknowledged loss of confidence in information upon which it had previously relied:

• Bush and others often alleged that President Hussein held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, but did not disclose that the known work of the scientists was largely benign. Iraq's three top gas centrifuge experts, for example, ran a copper factory, an operation to extract graphite from oil and a mechanical engineering design center at Rashidiya.

• The National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) of October 2002 cited new construction at facilities once associated with Iraq's nuclear program, but analysts had no reliable information at the time about what was happening under the roofs. By February, a month before the war, U.S. government specialists on the ground in Iraq had seen for themselves that there were no forbidden activities at the sites.

• Gas centrifuge experts consulted by the U.S. government said repeatedly for more than a year that the aluminum tubes were not suitable or intended for uranium enrichment. By December 2002, the experts said new evidence had further undermined the government's assertion. The Bush administration portrayed the scientists as a minority and emphasized that the experts did not describe the centrifuge theory as impossible.

• In the weeks and months following Joe's Vienna briefing, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and others continued to describe the use of such tubes for rockets as an implausible hypothesis, even after U.S. analysts collected and photographed in Iraq a virtually identical tube marked with the logo of the Medusa's Italian manufacturer and the words, in English, "81mm rocket."


• The escalation of nuclear rhetoric a year ago, including the introduction of the term "mushroom cloud" into the debate, coincided with the formation of a White House Iraq Group, or WHIG, a task force assigned to "educate the public" about the threat from Hussein, as a participant put it.

Two senior policymakers, who supported the war, said in unauthorized interviews that the administration greatly overstated Iraq's near-term nuclear potential.

"I never cared about the 'imminent threat,' " said one of the policymakers, with directly relevant responsibilities. "The threat was there in [Hussein's] presence in office. To me, just knowing what it takes to have a nuclear weapons program, he needed a lot of equipment. You can stare at the yellowcake [uranium ore] all you want. You need to convert it to gas and enrich it. That does not constitute an imminent threat, and the people who were saying that, I think, did not fully appreciate the difficulties and effort involved in producing the nuclear material and the physics package."


No White House, Pentagon or State Department policymaker agreed to speak on the record for this report about the administration's nuclear case. Answering questions Thursday before the National Association of Black Journalists, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said she is "certain to this day that this regime was a threat, that it was pursuing a nuclear weapon, that it had biological and chemical weapons, that it had used them." White House officials referred all questions of detail to Tenet.

In an interview and a four-page written statement, Tenet defended the NIE prepared under his supervision in October. In that estimate, U.S. intelligence analysts judged that Hussein was intent on acquiring a nuclear weapon and was trying to rebuild the capability to make one.

"We stand behind the judgments of the NIE" based on the evidence available at the time, Tenet said, and "the soundness and integrity of our process." The estimate was "the product of years of reporting and intelligence collection, analyzed by numerous experts in several different agencies."

Tenet said the time to "decide who was right and who was wrong" about prewar intelligence will not come until the Iraqi Survey Group, the CIA-directed, U.S. military postwar study in Iraq of Hussein's weapons of mass destruction programs is completed. The Bush administration has said this will require months or years.

Facts and Doubts

The possibility of a nuclear-armed Iraq loomed large in the Bush administration's efforts to convince the American public of the need for a preemptive strike. Beginning last August, Cheney portrayed Hussein's nuclear ambitions as a "mortal threat" to the United States. In the fall and winter, Rice, then Bush, marshaled the dreaded image of a "mushroom cloud."

By many accounts, including those of career officials who did not support the war, there were good reasons for concern that the Iraqi president might revive a program to enrich uranium to weapons grade and fabricate a working bomb. He had a well-demonstrated aspiration for nuclear weapons, a proficient scientific and engineering cadre, a history of covert development and a domestic supply of unrefined uranium ore. Iraq was generally believed to have kept the technical documentation for two advanced German centrifuge designs and the assembly diagrams for at least one type of "implosion device," which detonates a nuclear core.

What Hussein did not have was the principal requirement for a nuclear weapon, a sufficient quantity of highly enriched uranium or plutonium. And the U.S. government, authoritative intelligence officials said, had only circumstantial evidence that Iraq was trying to obtain those materials.

But the Bush administration had reasons to imagine the worst. The CIA had faced searing criticism for its failures to foresee India's resumption of nuclear testing in 1998 and to "connect the dots" pointing to al Qaeda's attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Cheney, the administration's most influential advocate of a worst-case analysis, had been powerfully influenced by his experience as defense secretary just after the Persian Gulf War of 1991.

Former National Security Council official Richard A. Clarke recalled how information from freshly seized Iraqi documents disclosed the existence of a "crash program" to build a bomb in 1991. The CIA had known nothing of it.

"I can understand why that was a seminal experience for Cheney," Clarke said. "And when the CIA says [in 2002], 'We don't have any evidence,' his reaction is . . . 'We didn't have any evidence in 1991, either. Why should I believe you now?' "

Some strategists, in and out of government, argued that the uncertainty itself -- in the face of circumstantial evidence -- was sufficient to justify "regime change." But that was not what the Bush administration usually said to the American people.

To gird a nation for the extraordinary step of preemptive war -- and to obtain the minimum necessary support from allies, Congress and the U.N. Security Council -- the administration described a growing, even imminent, nuclear threat from Iraq.


'Nuclear Blackmail'

The unveiling of that message began a year ago this week.

Cheney raised the alarm about Iraq's nuclear menace three times in August. He was far ahead of the president's public line. Only Bush and Cheney know, one senior policy official said, "whether Cheney was trying to push the president or they had decided to play good cop, bad cop."

On Aug. 7, Cheney volunteered in a question-and-answer session at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco, speaking of Hussein, that "left to his own devices, it's the judgment of many of us that in the not-too-distant future, he will acquire nuclear weapons." On Aug. 26, he described Hussein as a "sworn enemy of our country" who constituted a "mortal threat" to the United States. He foresaw a time in which Hussein could "subject the United States or any other nation to nuclear blackmail."

"We now know that Saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons," he said. "Among other sources, we've gotten this from firsthand testimony from defectors, including Saddam's own son-in-law."

That was a reference to Hussein Kamel, who had managed Iraq's special weapons programs before defecting in 1995 to Jordan. But Saddam Hussein lured Kamel back to Iraq, and he was killed in February 1996, so Kamel could not have sourced what U.S. officials "now know."

And Kamel's testimony, after defecting, was the reverse of Cheney's description. In one of many debriefings by U.S., Jordanian and U.N. officials, Kamel said on Aug. 22, 1995, that Iraq's uranium enrichment programs had not resumed after halting at the start of the Gulf War in 1991. According to notes typed for the record by U.N. arms inspector Nikita Smidovich, Kamel acknowledged efforts to design three different warheads, "but not now, before the Gulf War."


'Educating the Public'

Systematic coordination began in August, when Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. formed the White House Iraq Group, or WHIG, to set strategy for each stage of the confrontation with Baghdad. A senior official who participated in its work called it "an internal working group, like many formed for priority issues, to make sure each part of the White House was fulfilling its responsibilities."

In an interview with the New York Times published Sept. 6, Card did not mention the WHIG but hinted at its mission. "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August," he said.

The group met weekly in the Situation Room. Among the regular participants were Karl Rove, the president's senior political adviser; communications strategists Karen Hughes, Mary Matalin and James R. Wilkinson; legislative liaison Nicholas E. Calio; and policy advisers led by Rice and her deputy, Stephen J. Hadley, along with I. Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.

The first days of September would bring some of the most important decisions of the prewar period: what to demand of the United Nations in the president's Sept. 12 address to the General Assembly, when to take the issue to Congress, and how to frame the conflict with Iraq in the midterm election campaign that began in earnest after Labor Day.

A "strategic communications" task force under the WHIG began to plan speeches and white papers. There were many themes in the coming weeks, but Iraq's nuclear menace was among the most prominent.

'A Mushroom Cloud'

The day after publication of Card's marketing remark, Bush and nearly all his top advisers began to talk about the dangers of an Iraqi nuclear bomb.

Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair conferred at Camp David that Saturday, Sept. 7, and they each described alarming new evidence. Blair said proof that the threat is real came in "the report from the International Atomic Energy Agency this morning, showing what has been going on at the former nuclear weapon sites." Bush said "a report came out of the . . . IAEA, that they [Iraqis] were six months away from developing a weapon. I don't know what more evidence we need."

There was no new IAEA report. Blair appeared to be referring to news reports describing curiosity at the nuclear agency about repairs at sites of Iraq's former nuclear program. Bush cast as present evidence the contents of a report from 1996, updated in 1998 and 1999. In those accounts, the IAEA described the history of an Iraqi nuclear weapons program that arms inspectors had systematically destroyed.

A White House spokesman later acknowledged that Bush "was imprecise" on his source but stood by the crux of his charge. The spokesman said U.S. intelligence, not the IAEA, had given Bush his information.

That, too, was garbled at best. U.S. intelligence reports had only one scenario for an Iraqi bomb in six months to a year, premised on Iraq's immediate acquisition of enough plutonium or enriched uranium from a foreign source.

"That is just about the same thing as saying that if Iraq gets a bomb, it will have a bomb," said a U.S. intelligence analyst who covers the subject. "We had no evidence for it."


Two debuts took place on Sept. 8: the aluminum tubes and the image of "a mushroom cloud." A Sunday New York Times story quoted anonymous officials as saying the "diameter, thickness and other technical specifications" of the tubes -- precisely the grounds for skepticism among nuclear enrichment experts -- showed that they were "intended as components of centrifuges."

No one knows when Iraq will have its weapon, the story said, but "the first sign of a 'smoking gun,' they argue, may be a mushroom cloud."

Top officials made the rounds of Sunday talk shows that morning. Rice's remarks echoed the newspaper story. She said on CNN's "Late Edition" that Hussein was "actively pursuing a nuclear weapon" and that the tubes -- described repeatedly in U.S. intelligence reports as "dual-use" items -- were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs."

"There will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons," Rice added, "but we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

Anna Perez, a communications adviser to Rice, said Rice did not come looking for an opportunity to say that. "There was nothing in her mind that said, 'I have to push the nuclear issue,' " Perez said, "but Wolf [Blitzer] asked the question."

Powell, a confidant said, found it "disquieting when people say things like mushroom clouds." But he contributed in other ways to the message. When asked about biological and chemical arms on Fox News, he brought up nuclear weapons and cited the "specialized aluminum tubing" that "we saw in reporting just this morning."

Cheney, on NBC's "Meet the Press," also mentioned the tubes and said "increasingly, we believe the United States will become the target" of an Iraqi nuclear weapon. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, on CBS's "Face the Nation," asked listeners to "imagine a September 11th with weapons of mass destruction," which would kill "tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children."

Bush evoked the mushroom cloud on Oct. 7, and on Nov. 12 Gen. Tommy R. Franks, chief of U.S. Central Command, said inaction might bring "the sight of the first mushroom cloud on one of the major population centers on this planet."


'Literary License'

In its initial meetings, Card's Iraq task force ordered a series of white papers. After a general survey of Iraqi arms violations, the first of the single-subject papers -- never published -- was "A Grave and Gathering Danger: Saddam Hussein's Quest for Nuclear Weapons."

Wilkinson, at the time White House deputy director of communications for planning, gathered a yard-high stack of intelligence reports and press clippings.

Wilkinson said he conferred with experts from the National Security Council and Cheney's office. Other officials said Will Tobey and Susan Cook, working under senior director for counterproliferation Robert Joseph, made revisions and circulated some of the drafts. Under the standard NSC review process, they checked the facts.

In its later stages, the draft white paper coincided with production of a National Intelligence Estimate and its unclassified summary. But the WHIG, according to three officials who followed the white paper's progress, wanted gripping images and stories not available in the hedged and austere language of intelligence.

The fifth draft of the paper was obtained by The Washington Post. White House spokesmen dismissed the draft as irrelevant because Rice decided not to publish it. Wilkinson said Rice and Joseph felt the paper "was not strong enough."


The document offers insight into the Bush administration's priorities and methods in shaping a nuclear message. The white paper was assembled by some of the same team, and at the same time, as the speeches and talking points prepared for the president and top officials. A senior intelligence official said last October that the president's speechwriters took "literary license" with intelligence, a phrase applicable to language used by administration officials in some of the white paper's most emotive and misleading assertions elsewhere.

The draft white paper precedes other known instances in which the Bush administration considered the now-discredited claim that Iraq "sought uranium oxide, an essential ingredient in the enrichment process, from Africa." For a speechwriter, uranium was valuable as an image because anyone could see its connection to an atomic bomb. Despite warnings from intelligence analysts, the uranium would return again and again, including the Jan. 28 State of the Union address and three other Bush administration statements that month.

Other errors and exaggerations in public White House claims were repeated, or had their first mention, in the white paper.

Much as Blair did at Camp David, the paper attributed to U.N. arms inspectors a statement that satellite photographs show "many signs of the reconstruction and acceleration of the Iraqi nuclear program." Inspectors did not say that. The paper also quoted the first half of a sentence from a Time magazine interview with U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix: "You can see hundreds of new roofs in these photos." The second half of the sentence, not quoted, was: "but you don't know what's under them."

As Bush did, the white paper cited the IAEA's description of Iraq's defunct nuclear program in language that appeared to be current. The draft said, for example, that "since the beginning of the nineties, Saddam has launched a crash program to divert nuclear reactor fuel for . . . nuclear weapons." The crash program began in late 1990 and ended with the war in January 1991. The reactor fuel, save for waste products, is gone.

'Footnotes and Disclaimers'

A senior intelligence official said the White House preferred to avoid a National Intelligence Estimate, a formal review of competing evidence and judgments, because it knew "there were disagreements over details in almost every aspect of the administration's case against Iraq." The president's advisers, the official said, did not want "a lot of footnotes and disclaimers."

But Bush needed bipartisan support for war-making authority in Congress. In early September, members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence began asking why there had been no authoritative estimate of the danger posed by Iraq. Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) wrote Sept. 9 of his "concern that the views of the U.S. intelligence community are not receiving adequate attention by policymakers in both Congress and the executive branch." When Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), then committee chairman, insisted on an NIE in a classified letter two days later, Tenet agreed.

Explicitly intended to assist Congress in deciding whether to authorize war, the estimate was produced in two weeks, an extraordinary deadline for a document that usually takes months. Tenet said in an interview that "we had covered parts of all those programs over 10 years through NIEs and other reports, and we had a ton of community product on all these issues."

Even so, the intelligence community was now in a position of giving its first coordinated answer to a question that every top national security official had already answered. "No one outside the intelligence community told us what to say or not to say," Tenet wrote in reply to questions for this article.

The U.S. government possessed no specific information on Iraqi efforts to acquire enriched uranium, according to six people who participated in preparing for the estimate. It knew only that Iraq sought to buy equipment of the sort that years of intelligence reports had said "may be" intended for or "could be" used in uranium enrichment.

Richard J. Kerr, a former CIA deputy director now leading a review of the agency's intelligence analysis about Iraq, said in an interview that the CIA collected almost no hard information about Iraq's weapons programs after the departure of IAEA and U.N. Special Commission, or UNSCOM, arms inspectors during the Clinton administration. He said that was because of a lack of spies inside Iraq.

Tenet took issue with that view, saying in an interview, "When inspectors were pushed out in 1998, we did not sit back. . . . The fact is we made significant professional progress." In his written statement, he cited new evidence on biological and missile programs, but did not mention Hussein's nuclear pursuits.

The estimate's "Key Judgment" said: "Although we assess that Saddam does not yet have nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on acquiring them. Most agencies assess that Baghdad started reconstituting its nuclear program about the time that UNSCOM inspectors departed -- December 1998."

According to Kerr, the analysts had good reasons to say that, but the reasons were largely "inferential."

Hussein was known to have met with some weapons physicists, and praised them as "nuclear mujaheddin." But the CIA had "reasonably good intelligence in terms of the general activities and whereabouts" of those scientists, said another analyst with the relevant clearances, and knew they had generally not reassembled into working groups. In a report to Congress in 2001, the agency could conclude only that some of the scientists "probably" had "continued at least low-level theoretical R&D [research and development] associated with its nuclear program."

Analysts knew Iraq had tried recently to buy magnets, high-speed balancing machines, machine tools and other equipment that had some potential for use in uranium enrichment, though no less for conventional industry. Even assuming the intention, the parts could not all be made to fit a coherent centrifuge model. The estimate acknowledged that "we lack specific information on many key aspects" of the program, and analysts presumed they were seeing only the tip of the iceberg.


'He Made a Name'

According to outside scientists and intelligence officials, the most important factor in the CIA's nuclear judgment was Iraq's attempt to buy high-strength aluminum tubes. The tubes were the core evidence for a centrifuge program tied to building a nuclear bomb. Even circumstantially, the CIA reported no indication of uranium enrichment using anything but centrifuges.

That interpretation of the tubes was a victory for the man named Joe, who made the issue his personal crusade. He worked in the gas centrifuge program at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in the early 1980s. He is not, associates said, a nuclear physicist, but an engineer whose work involved the platform upon which centrifuges were mounted.

At some point he joined the CIA. By the end of the 1990s, according to people who know him casually, he worked in export controls.

Joe played an important role in discovering Iraq's plans to buy aluminum tubes from China in 2000, with an Australian intermediary. U.N. sanctions forbade Iraq to buy anything with potential military applications, and members of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a voluntary alliance, include some forms of aluminum tubing on their list of equipment that could be used for uranium enrichment.

Joe saw the tubes as centrifuge rotors that could be used to process uranium into weapons-grade material. In a gas centrifuge, the rotor is a thin-walled cylinder, open at both ends, that spins at high speed under a magnet. The device extracts the material used in a weapon from a gaseous form of uranium.

In July 2001, about 3,000 tubes were intercepted in Jordan on their way to Iraq, a big step forward in the agency's efforts to understand what Iraq was trying to do. The CIA gave Joe an award for exceptional performance, throwing its early support to an analysis that helped change the agency's mind about Iraq's pursuit of nuclear ambitions.

"He grabbed that information early on, and he made a name for himself," a career U.S. government nuclear expert said.

'Stretches the Imagination'

Doubts about Joe's theory emerged quickly among the government's centrifuge physicists. The intercepted tubes were too narrow, long and thick-walled to fit a known centrifuge design. Aluminum had not been used for rotors since the 1950s. Iraq had two centrifuge blueprints, stolen in Europe, that were far more efficient and already known to work. One used maraging steel, a hard steel alloy, for the rotors, the other carbon fiber.

Joe and his supporters said the apparent drawbacks were part of Iraq's concealment plan. Hussein's history of covert weapons development, Tenet said in his written statement, included "built-in cover stories."

"This is a case where different people had honorable and different interpretations of intentions," said an Energy Department analyst who has reviewed the raw data. "If you go to a nuclear [counterproliferation official] and say I've got these aluminum tubes, and it's about Iraq, his first inclination is to say it's for nuclear use."

But the government's centrifuge scientists -- at the Energy Department's Oak Ridge National Laboratory and its sister institutions -- unanimously regarded this possibility as implausible.

In late 2001, experts at Oak Ridge asked an alumnus, Houston G. Wood III, to review the controversy. Wood, founder of the Oak Ridge centrifuge physics department, is widely acknowledged to be among the most eminent living experts.

Speaking publicly for the first time, Wood said in an interview that "it would have been extremely difficult to make these tubes into centrifuges. It stretches the imagination to come up with a way. I do not know any real centrifuge experts that feel differently."


As an academic, Wood said, he would not describe "anything that you absolutely could not do." But he said he would "like to see, if they're going to make that claim, that they have some explanation of how you do that. Because I don't see how you do it."

A CIA spokesman said the agency does have support for its view from centrifuge experts. He declined to elaborate.

In the last week of September, the development of the NIE required a resolution of the running disagreement over the significance of the tubes. The Energy Department had one vote. Four agencies -- with specialties including eavesdropping, maps and foreign military forces -- judged that the tubes were part of a centrifuge program that could be used for nuclear weapons. Only the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research joined the judgment of the Energy Department. The estimate, as published, said that "most analysts" believed the tubes were suitable and intended for a centrifuge cascade.

Majority votes make poor science, said Peter D. Zimmerman, a former chief scientist at the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency.

"In this case, the experts were at Z Division at Livermore [Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory] and in DOE intelligence here in town, and they were convinced that no way in hell were these likely to be centrifuge tubes," he said.

Tenet said the Department of Energy was not the only agency with experts on the issue; the CIA consulted military battlefield rocket experts, as well as its own centrifuge experts.

Unravelings

On Feb. 5, two weeks after Joe's Vienna briefing, Powell gave what remains the government's most extensive account of the aluminum tubes, in an address to the U.N. Security Council. He did not mention the existence of the Medusa rocket or its Iraqi equivalent, though he acknowledged disagreement among U.S. intelligence analysts about the use of the tubes.

Powell's CIA briefers, using data originating with Joe, told him that Iraq had "overspecified" requirements for the tubes, increasing expense without making them more useful to rockets. That helped persuade Powell, a confidant said, that Iraq had some other purpose for the tubes.

"Maybe Iraqis just manufacture their conventional weapons to a higher standard than we do, but I don't think so," Powell said in his speech. He said different batches "seized clandestinely before they reached Iraq" showed a "progression to higher and higher levels of specification, including in the latest batch an anodized coating on extremely smooth inner and outer surfaces. . . . Why would they continue refining the specification, go to all that trouble for something that, if it was a rocket, would soon be blown into shrapnel when it went off?"

An anodized coating is actually a strong argument for use in rockets, according to several scientists in and out of government. It resists corrosion of the sort that ruined Iraq's previous rocket supply. To use the tubes in a centrifuge, experts told the government, Iraq would have to remove the anodized coating.

Iraq did change some specifications from order to order, the procurement records show, but there is not a clear progression to higher precision. One tube sample was rejected because its interior was unfinished, too uneven to be used in a rocket body. After one of Iraq's old tubes got stuck in a launcher and exploded, Baghdad's subsequent orders asked for more precision in roundness.

U.S. and European analysts said they had obtained records showing that Italy's Medusa rocket has had its specifications improved 10 times since 1978. Centrifuge experts said in interviews that the variations had little or no significance for uranium enrichment, especially because the CIA's theory supposes Iraq would do extensive machining to adapt the tubes as rotors.

For rockets, however, the tubes fit perfectly. Experts from U.S. national labs, working temporarily with U.N. inspectors in Iraq, observed production lines for the rockets at the Nasser factory north of Baghdad. Iraq had run out of body casings at about the time it ordered the aluminum tubes, according to officials familiar with the experts' reports. Thousands of warheads, motors and fins were crated at the assembly lines, awaiting the arrival of tubes.

"Most U.S. experts," Powell asserted, "think they are intended to serve as rotors in centrifuges used to enrich uranium." He said "other experts, and the Iraqis themselves," said the tubes were really for rockets.

Wood, the centrifuge physicist, said "that was a personal slam at everybody in DOE," the Energy Department. "I've been grouped with the Iraqis, is what it amounts to. I just felt that the wording of that was probably intentional, but it was also not very kind. It did not recognize that dissent can exist."


Staff writers Glenn Kessler, Dana Priest and Richard Morin and staff researchers Lucy Shackelford, Madonna Lebling and Robert Thomason contributed to this report.
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Intelligence War Is Trouble for Bush

by Joe Conason

As reality intrudes upon the myth-laden arguments for war in Iraq, a strange proxy war has erupted between the White House and Washington’s intelligence community. That conflict could determine the outcome of next year’s Presidential election and the future security of the United States.

The latest salvo landed on Sunday, Oct. 26, when the administration suffered a front-page humiliation in The Washington Post.

Citing internal records and interviews with members of the Iraq Survey Group, the special C.I.A.-led team of military experts dispatched to find Saddam Hussein’s forbidden weapons, The Post’s Barton Gellman reported that investigators have reached a devastating conclusion: "Although Hussein did not relinquish his nuclear ambitions or technical records … it is now clear he had no active program to build a weapon, produce its key materials or obtain the technology he needed for either."

Moreover, added Mr. Gellman, it is now also clear that "Iraq’s nuclear weapons scientists did no significant arms-related work after 1991, that facilities with suspicious new construction proved benign, and that equipment of potential use to a nuclear program remained under seal or in civilian industrial use."

The Post report also reveals that those famous Iraqi aluminum tubes, emphasized by Colin Powell during his war speech at the U.N. Security Council, could never have been used in a uranium-enrichment centrifuge. Australian Brigadier General Stephen D. Meekin, a top defense-intelligence official who commands the largest unit in the Iraq Study Group, told Mr. Gellman that the tubes were "innocuous" items of no use in building nuclear bombs. He speculated that since the war’s end, most of them had likely been sold as "drain pipes."

In short, despite all the ominous blather about "mushroom clouds" emanating from the highest ranks of the U.S. government, this administration’s own investigators have established that the Iraqi nuclear program was dismantled after the first Gulf War—just as the United Nations inspectors and the Iraqis themselves insisted last December.


As significant as the facts adduced in the Sunday Post article was its sourcing: The intelligence agents in the Iraq Study Group don’t appear to be following the lead of their boss, David Kay, who has vainly sought to bolster the White House position. The investigators who spoke with Mr. Gellman and leaked documents to him seem to be doing their best to undermine the administration.

If so, they are only responding in kind to attacks on their agency from the White House, which would like to hang the intelligence fiasco on the C.I.A. Shifting blame to the intelligence services also seems to be the objective of Senator Pat Roberts, the Kansas Republican who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee. On Oct. 24, Mr. Roberts said his committee’s investigation had found that "the executive was ill-served by the intelligence community."

The following day, three former C.I.A. officers shot back on behalf of their colleagues during a public hearing and press conference called by the Senate Democratic leadership. What Vincent Cannistraro, Larry Johnson and Jim Marcinowski said got little attention from the mainstream media. They described an ongoing clandestine war between the intelligence services and the Bush administration over Iraq.

As explained by Mr. Cannistraro, who served as the C.I.A.’s counterterrorism chief, "We had a pattern of pressure directed at C.I.A. analysts for a long period of time, beginning almost immediately after Sept. 11 …. The pressure was directed at providing supporting data for the belief that Saddam Hussein was, one, linked to global terrorism and, two, was a clear danger not only to his neighbors but to the United States of America."

That pressure came directly from Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff, Lewis (Scooter) Libby, during repeated visits to C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Va.

The Beltway warfare escalated dramatically when former Ambassador Joseph Wilson exposed the hollowness of the administration’s claims about Iraqi attempts to buy uranium "yellowcake" from Niger—and persons unknown responded last July by outing his wife, Valerie Plame, as a C.I.A. officer.

Still angry, Mr. Cannistraro told the Senators that the unknown administration officials who committed that "dirty trick" did so not only to "undermine and trash Ambassador Wilson, but to demonstrate their contempt for C.I.A. by bringing Valerie’s name into it."


Mr. Johnson expressed the bitterness felt by many in the intelligence community toward this President, whose father’s name adorns their Langley headquarters. "We’re all Republicans. We all voted for Bush. And we all contributed funds to him," he said. But after the assault on the Wilsons and the C.I.A., he believes "there are some bullies in this administration, and the essence of being a bully is being a coward. And I expect President Bush—having voted for him, I expected something different from him."

All those disappointed patriots know much more than they have yet disclosed. But then, the election year has yet to begin.
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Pilger claims White House knew Saddam was no threat
September 23, 2003 - 2:33PM

Australian investigative journalist John Pilger says he has evidence the war against Iraq was based on a lie which could cost George W Bush and Tony Blair their jobs and bring Prime Minister John Howard down with them.

A television report by Pilger aired on British screens last night said US Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice confirmed in early 2001 that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had been disarmed and was no threat.

But after the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington on September 11 that year, Pilger claimed Rice said the US "must move to take advantage of these new opportunities" to attack Iraq and claim control of its oil.

Pilger uncovered video footage of Powell in Cairo on February 24, 2001 saying, "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

Two months later, Rice reportedly said, "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

Powell boasted this was because America's policy of containment and its sanctions had effectively disarmed Saddam.


Pilger claims this confirms that the decision of US President George W Bush - with the full support of British Prime Minister Blair and Howard - to wage war on Saddam because he had weapons of mass destruction was a huge deception.


Pilger interviewed several leading US government figures in Washington but said he did not ask Powell or Rice to respond to his claims.
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