If prostitution was legal, would you?

[Rye]

They're usually doing that not because they want to but because they have no choice.

Yeah, but this is if it was legal and it's a legitimite career choice.

That doesn't mean the entire prostitution ring will be clean as a whistle, there will always be the criminal exploitation especially in this area like with drug dealing.

So? Since when has not eradicating problems completely invalidated something? Just go to official ones, obviously.

What the...

Porn stars, if that's what you're referring to, don't fuck entire cities for a living (though many would like them to). It's also a lot stricter on health and image than any prossie

Why wouldn't they be under similar limitations if it was legalised? I mean, wouldn't that make sense if there were mandatory health precautions on it, like std screenings every week/fortnight and condoms or whatever?

and I wouldn't sink as low as to pay for sex anyway. That's really just sad when you have to do that in the first place.

Why is it any different than hiring someone to lay bricks for you for an hour?

[Admiral Valdemar]

Yeah, but this is if it was legal and it's a legitimite career choice.

I'd hardly call prostitution a "career".

So? Since when has not eradicating problems completely invalidated something? Just go to official ones, obviously.

I think a lot of people would object to legal, government funding going to prostitutes. It's not as simple as you think.

Why wouldn't they be under similar limitations if it was legalised? I mean, wouldn't that make sense if there were mandatory health precautions on it, like std screenings every week/fortnight and condoms or whatever?

That's besides the point. They are still sleeping with as many people as possible making the chances or these expensive tests show positive since condoms don't stop all STDs. What happens when a whore does get an STD? Do they get a severance package? What if it's HIV? Not the type of work related risk any sane person would want.

Why is it any different than hiring someone to lay bricks for you for an hour?

You're comparing laying bricks to sex?

[Rye]

I'd hardly call prostitution a "career".

I'd hardly call professional football a career too. So what? It's a job.

I think a lot of people would object to legal, government funding going to prostitutes. It's not as simple as you think.

they'd be businesses that have to conform to the government's guidelines, not charities.

That's besides the point. They are still sleeping with as many people as possible making the chances or these expensive tests show positive since condoms don't stop all STDs. What happens when a whore does get an STD? Do they get a severance package? What if it's HIV? Not the type of work related risk any sane person would want.

People work with risks every day. Doctors for example get all kinds of infections, sometimes even life-threatening ones in their first years of work. That's all it is, another job.

You're comparing laying bricks to sex?

No, i'm comparing it to pie-tossing. Of course i'm comparing it to brick laying. Explain how it's actually different from an employment/service point of view.

[Gil Hamilton]

I'd hardly call prostitution a "career".

I can't speak for all of them, but there are quite a few brothel girls, for instance those that work at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada, who actually see it as a career.

[Admiral Valdemar]

I'd hardly call professional football a career too. So what? It's a job.

It's my opinion, that's what.

they'd be businesses that have to conform to the government's guidelines, not charities.

Yes, so? The whole point is that the gov't condones prostitution nationally. Do you not see how this could start one hell of a campaign especially from the fundamentalists?

People work with risks every day. Doctors for example get all kinds of infections, sometimes even life-threatening ones in their first years of work. That's all it is, another job.

The doctors are saving someone's life and risk the possibility of HIV. A prostitute is just getting a lonely guy with cash to blow his load and possibly contract the worst disease known to man in the process. I don't weight that.

No, i'm comparing it to pie-tossing. Of course i'm comparing it to brick laying. Explain how it's actually different from an employment/service point of view.

For a start, I can get the sex for free and find it preferable to do that anyway (you may argue the same for bricklaying, but we're not all professional bricklayers). Secondly, it speaks mountains to me if you have to pay for sex and gov't mandated or not, fucking someone who sleeps with a whole city is not my idea of fun. If I want sex I'll find a decent girl and maybe get to know her, or if desperate, wank it off.

Sarcasm doesn't become you, by the way.

[Rye]

Yes, so? The whole point is that the gov't condones prostitution nationally. Do you not see how this could start one hell of a campaign especially from the fundamentalists?

There isn't a good reason not to, it's criminalisation doesn't appear to be stopping it anyway, and is in fact encouraging std spread as it's not official and there are no standards to follow. This and the obvious physical dangers to the women involved, pimps, crazy clients etc. It's more safe all round if instead of criminalising it and shunning prostitutes they're officially regulated.

The doctors are saving someone's life and risk the possibility of HIV. A prostitute is just getting a lonely guy with cash to blow his load and possibly contract the worst disease known to man in the process. I don't weight that.

So? Professional footballers risk permanent injury every time they play. Bricklayers making skyscrapers risk death every day. It's just another job.

For a start, I can get the sex for free and find it preferable to do that anyway (you may argue the same for bricklaying, but we're not all professional bricklayers).

So there is no actual distinction beyond professionalism, is that what you're saying?

Secondly, it speaks mountains to me if you have to pay for sex and gov't mandated or not, fucking someone who sleeps with a whole city is not my idea of fun. If I want sex I'll find a decent girl and maybe get to know her, or if desperate, wank it off.

So you don't want to do it, that does not make it immoral or the person who did it a bad person. They bought someone's time off them for use of their body, much as with the bricklayer, as with the bricklayer, the person was consensual and protected by law.

Sarcasm doesn't become you, by the way.

Knee-jerk leftover christian moral judgments don't become you either.

[Admiral Valdemar]

There isn't a good reason not to, it's criminalisation doesn't appear to be stopping it anyway, and is in fact encouraging std spread as it's not official and there are no standards to follow. This and the obvious physical dangers to the women involved, pimps, crazy clients etc. It's more safe all round if instead of criminalising it and shunning prostitutes they're officially regulated.

That may be so, but like I said, this is a moral principle as well and the fundies will have a field day reciting many Biblical passages, that's not counting those that simply disagree with the idea on their own grounds. It would be a political minefield like legalising weed.

So? Professional footballers risk permanent injury every time they play. Bricklayers making skyscrapers risk death every day. It's just another job.

HIV is totally unlike any of those things. Just watch how a HIV patient dies and tell me it's like a leg injury or falling off a scaffold.

So there is no actual distinction beyond professionalism, is that what you're saying?

In terms of sex. Why pay for something when I can have it for free and with more besides?

So you don't want to do it, that does not make it immoral or the person who did it a bad person. They bought someone's time off them for use of their body, much as with the bricklayer, as with the bricklayer, the person was consensual and protected by law.

I'm not speaking for anyone else, this is of course all to do with my own personal views. As I answered before, I personally wouldn't hire a whore, but naturally there are those that would else they wouldn't exist.

Knee-jerk leftover christian moral judgments don't become you either.

They're hardly knee-jerk when I've always had them and they're most certainly not Christian.

[Darth Wong]

They're usually doing that not because they want to but because they have no choice.

The junkies are doing it for that reason. The high-class ones are doing it because it pays a shitload of money.

Shouldn't be a problem if it's government regulated.

That doesn't mean the entire prostitution ring will be clean as a whistle, there will always be the criminal exploitation especially in this area like with drug dealing.

Interesting; what makes you think that legalization would not remove the criminal element? How much criminal activity remains with respect to the trafficking of beer since Prohibition was ended?

Having said that, I'm married and happy that way, so no, I wouldn't do it.

[Zoink]

No. If it were legal, I still wouldn't accept money from women to sleep with them, no matter how much they begged. They have to buy me dinner and show me a good time. I have my principles

[Admiral Valdemar]

They're usually doing that not because they want to but because they have no choice.

The junkies are doing it for that reason. The high-class ones are doing it because it pays a shitload of money.

Shouldn't be a problem if it's government regulated.

That doesn't mean the entire prostitution ring will be clean as a whistle, there will always be the criminal exploitation especially in this area like with drug dealing.

Interesting; what makes you think that legalization would not remove the criminal element? How much criminal activity remains with respect to the trafficking of beer since Prohibition was ended?

Having said that, I'm married and happy that way, so no, I wouldn't do it.

I just expect a certain underground element to exist still running much the same way they would if the practice was illegal. There was a woman convicted not long ago, I believe, who had hundreds, if not, thousands of girls around Europe and was earning a considerable sum from it. Having not seen how it would work if it was entirely legal, I can't really say how I'd expect it to work out (unlike Prohibition), but I'd still think some dirty dealings would go on such as large international cartels like that woman had. Who knows, they may turnaround into profitable and legit businesses.

[Rye]

That may be so, but like I said, this is a moral principle as well

Explain why paying for sex is immoral and paying for brickwork, or a stand up comedian for a party isn't.

and the fundies will have a field day reciting many Biblical passages, that's not counting those that simply disagree with the idea on their own grounds. It would be a political minefield like legalising weed.

Who gives a fuck what the fundies say? Only other fundies.

HIV is totally unlike any of those things. Just watch how a HIV patient dies and tell me it's like a leg injury or falling off a scaffold.

So, because of the risk of HIV, it should not be legalised? Because that will magically stop it somehow? Perhaps you could institute a policy of "no sex unless you have a recent blood screening certificate", much like they do in porn, for those mass gang bangs.

In terms of sex. Why pay for something when I can have it for free and with more besides?

I'm not asking you to pay for it, i'm asking why other people paying for it is morally wrong.

I'm not speaking for anyone else, this is of course all to do with my own personal views. As I answered before, I personally wouldn't hire a whore, but naturally there are those that would else they wouldn't exist.

Oldest profession in the world. Now, why is it bad to pay for sex and not something else which requires physical work on their part?

They're hardly knee-jerk when I've always had them and they're most certainly not Christian.

So, why is it bad and why does it make the people who do it bad?

[Admiral Valdemar]

Rye, I am against going with hookers, that's my view. I'm on the whole apathetic to what they do with the whole situation, I've not exactly started a party against the legal aspects of it in Australia and I'm not going after the illegal parts of it elsewhere. It's not my problem.

I still think that even if it were legal, there'd still be some underhand tactics going on, but then every walk of life has that problem. So in the end, colour me apathetic to it other than I wouldn't do it and see no reason in it and still see STDs as a big problem as it is, though proper healthcare for the prostitutes if done right could minimise the risks (though that leads to sex education in schools ultimately).

[EmperorMing]

The brothels in Nevada are legal. And it's well over 2,000 dollars...

Cheaper out of country. And for that price, I'll go play the field.

[El Moose Monstero]

Nope.

[Mlenk]

Eh, I have fuck-buddies...who's entire view of our relationship is to occasionally have sex because we're both stressed and want to have fun.

So no, no reason to .

Being friends with 'privileges' is a wonderful thing

[Rye]

Rye, I am against going with hookers, that's my view. I'm on the whole apathetic to what they do with the whole situation, I've not exactly started a party against the legal aspects of it in Australia and I'm not going after the illegal parts of it elsewhere. It's not my problem.

I still think that even if it were legal, there'd still be some underhand tactics going on, but then every walk of life has that problem. So in the end, colour me apathetic to it other than I wouldn't do it and see no reason in it and still see STDs as a big problem as it is, though proper healthcare for the prostitutes if done right could minimise the risks (though that leads to sex education in schools ultimately).

My only gripe was that you said it was immoral which i've not seen substanciated.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Rye, I am against going with hookers, that's my view. I'm on the whole apathetic to what they do with the whole situation, I've not exactly started a party against the legal aspects of it in Australia and I'm not going after the illegal parts of it elsewhere. It's not my problem.

I still think that even if it were legal, there'd still be some underhand tactics going on, but then every walk of life has that problem. So in the end, colour me apathetic to it other than I wouldn't do it and see no reason in it and still see STDs as a big problem as it is, though proper healthcare for the prostitutes if done right could minimise the risks (though that leads to sex education in schools ultimately).

My only gripe was that you said it was immoral which i've not seen substanciated.

To me, it is. That's just a view since I don't really agree with it but have no qualms with others doing it provided they stick within the confines of the law.

[salm]

over here it´s legal and safe. i don´t go to brothels though because i don´t want to have sex with people who don´t want to have sex with me. you get treated like a piece of meat, that leaves a 50 € bill on the table after shooting its load. so no.

[Oberleutnant]

As HDS said, it's prefectly legal here. However, I would not most likely do it, and the possible dangers involved in it certainly don't help me to change my mind.

[muse]

No, no, no, and NO. I just wouldn't do it.

[Straha]

Well, yes and no. No I wouldn't pick a woman up off the streets just to fuck her, but yes I would spend hundreds of dollars, risk emotional heart-break, and hours apon hours of my time just to try and get a woman I like to third base before she breaks up with me.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Eh, I have fuck-buddies...who's entire view of our relationship is to occasionally have sex because we're both stressed and want to have fun.

So no, no reason to .

Same here, except we'll probly watch the football game or American Chopper (RoKKiN show!) afterward or beforehand

[RedImperator]

I'd consider it, but not for $2000.

[Andrew J.]

Eh, maybe if I wasn't in a relationship and it wasn't too expensive.

[Howedar]

Dying a virgin at a ripe old age would be prefereable to me to having screwed a prostitute.