So much for bringing freedom to Iraq.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-02-05 09:33am

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-05 10:27am

Old news, and I'm surprised LRC the dinosaurs at LRC have a problem with the Shariah.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-02-05 10:57am

No one can claim to be suprised, here. I mean, we knew going in that the moment that Saddam lost the ability to oppress them the people of Iraq were going to want to make their country an Islamic run country with Sharia as law. What? Did you all think that they wanted a nice, happy secular democracy?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-05 11:35am

The neo-cons believed that once Iraq was freed, they would all want to adopt American society. No, seriously. It sounds ridiculous but if you read neo-con articles written before the war, that's what they were saying.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2004-02-05 11:40am

Darth Wong wrote:The neo-cons believed that once Iraq was freed, they would all want to adopt American society. No, seriously. It sounds ridiculous but if you read neo-con articles written before the war, that's what they were saying.

Well everybody wants to be American, the USA as we all know is the pinnacle of modern society to which all nations aspire (which is when anybody complains about the US's actions it can easily be identified as jealously).

Ah I feel better now.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-02-05 12:03pm

Darth Wong wrote:The neo-cons believed that once Iraq was freed, they would all want to adopt American society. No, seriously. It sounds ridiculous but if you read neo-con articles written before the war, that's what they were saying.

You have to keep in mind that a neo-con's idea of American society is religious fundamentalism; in that respect they were inadvertinatly correct.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-02-05 12:12pm

These laws clearly refute the notion that we went in there for humanitarian reasons~ Now all the neocons can do is fall back on their bullshit about Iraq giving them strategic access or whatnot. It's all the same illogical bullshit once you put it under a magnifying glass.

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:The neo-cons believed that once Iraq was freed, they would all want to adopt American society. No, seriously. It sounds ridiculous but if you read neo-con articles written before the war, that's what they were saying.
You have to keep in mind that a neo-con's idea of American society is religious fundamentalism; in that respect they were inadvertinatly correct.

Lots of them don't give a shit about about religion and merely wank to the idea of having power bases in the middle east.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-02-05 12:14pm

It has always been an American flaw that we assume that people struggling to be free want to adopt American style democracy and culture. I am reminded of the line from Full Metal Jacket: "Inside of every gook is an American trying to get out."

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-05 12:17pm

Hamel's right, neocons aren't religious fundamentalists. Many of their detractors on the right are, however.

It has always been an American flaw that we assume that people struggling to be free want to adopt American style democracy and culture. I am reminded of the line from Full Metal Jacket: "Inside of every gook is an American trying to get out."

That's something we inherited from our Puritan ancestors.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2004-02-05 12:22pm

Joe wrote:Hamel's right, neocons aren't religious fundamentalists. Many of their detractors on the right are, however.

You say "many", but the only such person that comes to my mind is good old Pat

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-05 12:24pm

Hamel wrote:
Joe wrote:Hamel's right, neocons aren't religious fundamentalists. Many of their detractors on the right are, however.
You say "many", but the only such person that comes to my mind is good old Pat

The LRC crowd.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-02-05 12:29pm

Darth Wong wrote:The neo-cons believed that once Iraq was freed, they would all want to adopt American society. No, seriously. It sounds ridiculous but if you read neo-con articles written before the war, that's what they were saying.

Oh, now that reminds me of something...

"Son, all I've ever asked of my marines is that they obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out. It's a hardball world, son. We've gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."
-Pogue Colonel, Full Metal Jacket