Kazaa offices raided (Sydney)

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-02-06 10:28am

Investigators from the Australian record industry Friday raided a Sydney office housing the company that owns Kazaa, the world's largest file swapping network, in a bid to uncover evidence of alleged copyright infringements.

The Federal Court gave five major Australian record labels permission to raid 12 premises in three states to collect evidence against Kazaa, said Michael Speck, general manager of the Music Industry Piracy Investigations.

The group is owned by record companies Universal, Festival Mushroom Records, EMI Music, Sony Music, Warner Music Australia and BMG Australia.

The raided sites included the office of Kazaa owner Sharman Networks, the homes of two of the company's executives, three Australian universities and Internet service providers.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 8596981749

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-06 10:45am

Ah fuck! This shit had better not get worse! Not that I use Kazaa, heaven forbid no - I just can't stand this bullshit.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2004-02-06 11:04am

wait a second.. wtf is raiding the home of them going to do?

i mean seriously...

They aren't going to have any evidence on any of their servers... the only thing they can attempt to prove is try and find information that sharman encourage illegal music sharing, which they don't... they just can't control what people do with their software.

Isn't there also a legal waver that protects them in their TOA?

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-02-06 11:28am

Reading this makes me think of Dennis Moore.

Dennis Moore is from one of Monty Python sketches.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-02-06 11:49am

they must be going after IP logs to get the addy's of people who downloaded the software. Armed with that they can investigate individual file sharers.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2004-02-06 11:55am

Montcalm wrote:Reading this makes me think of Dennis Moore.

Dennis Moore is from one of Monty Python sketches.

Runs off with Montcalm's Lupins...

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2004-02-06 11:58am

That IP logs shit doesnt fly, they were raiding the HOMES of the executives as well as the offices.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-06 12:13pm

Montcalm wrote:Reading this makes me think of Dennis Moore.

Monty Python singsong:

"Dennis Moore! Dennis Moooore!

He steals from the poor and he gives to the rich,

Stupid BITCH."

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-02-06 03:46pm

Since when the hell are private corporations allowed to conduct raids in a search for evidence? Shouldn't the police do that?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-02-06 04:03pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:That IP logs shit doesnt fly, they were raiding the HOMES of the executives as well as the offices.

well then it seems the Aussie's have some judicial scewballs of their own to deal with.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2004-02-06 04:05pm

Since when did a private organization have the right to raid people's homes and business?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-02-06 10:16pm

I haven't been able to find a second source for this article in the Australian media ...

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2004-02-07 12:17am

HemlockGrey wrote:Since when the hell are private corporations allowed to conduct raids in a search for evidence? Shouldn't the police do that?

This is news to me, even the much blasted Waraz raids were done by the federal police.

I want a second source.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2004-02-07 12:33am

ggs wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:Since when the hell are private corporations allowed to conduct raids in a search for evidence? Shouldn't the police do that?

This is news to me, even the much blasted Waraz raids were done by the federal police.

I want a second source.

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,114636,00.asp

Another source

Yet another source

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-02-07 01:13am

This is Bullshit!

I'll bet the fucking media companies are gonna try to justify this by saying something to the effect of "The Constitution only tells us what the GOVERNMENT can't do. We're a PRIVATELY-OWNED CORPORATION so we can piss all over illegal-search-and-seizure laws as much as we want!"

To that, I say: Who elected YOU to serve in a governmental capacity? Believe it or not, raiding someone's sovereign home is against the law without a warrant, no matter WHO wants to do it. Anything else is Burglary and/or Home Invasion, and the owners of the home have the right to SHOOT YOUR MOTHERFUCKING ASS DEAD THE MOMENT YOU STEP INSIDE!

EDIT: I don't know WTF an Anton Pilar order is, but shit like that won't fly here in America. Any 'copyright cartel gestapo' who attempts to raid my house will get a verbal warning to the effect of "Got a Warrant? Nope? Fuck you, You Cannot Come In!" followed by buckshot, bullets, and even blowgun darts if they force themselves in.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-02-07 01:21am

This is just a shakedown, I really doubt anything will come of this.

Advocate · Post by **Advocate** » 2004-02-07 01:29am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote: EDIT: I don't know WTF an Anton Pilar order is, but shit like that won't fly here in America. Any 'copyright cartel gestapo' who attempts to raid my house will get a verbal warning to the effect of "Got a Warrant? Nope? Fuck you, You Cannot Come In!" followed by buckshot, bullets, and even blowgun darts if they force themselves in.

An Anton Piller order is basically an order from the court allowing a plaintiff in a court case to enter the premises of the defendant(s) and search for evidence which the defendant could conceivably want to hide/destroy. Fairly common in countries which follow the UK legal system AFAIK.

Edit: Oh, and it doesn't just apply to the "copyright cartel gestapo". The judge may give the order based on situational need - usually corporate fraud/embezzlement cases - where the order will be given to the Securities Exchange Commission or any anti-corruption agency or the like. If I'm not mistaken, Enron nd Arthur Anderson was the target of such an order.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2004-02-07 01:34am

Advocate wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote: EDIT: I don't know WTF an Anton Pilar order is, but shit like that won't fly here in America. Any 'copyright cartel gestapo' who attempts to raid my house will get a verbal warning to the effect of "Got a Warrant? Nope? Fuck you, You Cannot Come In!" followed by buckshot, bullets, and even blowgun darts if they force themselves in.

An Anton Piller order is basically an order from the court allowing a plaintiff in a court case to enter the premises of the defendant(s) and search for evidence which the defendant could conceivably want to hide/destroy. Fairly common in countries which follow the UK legal system AFAIK.

I'm glad this isn't a UK-based legal system here. Thanks for the clarification.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-02-07 01:40am

Say hello to the 21st century Mafia...

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-02-08 12:09am

Crown wrote:I haven't been able to find a second source for this article in the Australian media ...

Same here.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2004-02-08 12:47am

Gandalf wrote:
Crown wrote:I haven't been able to find a second source for this article in the Australian media ...
Same here.

Look at my previous post.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-02-08 12:52am

Enigma wrote:
Gandalf wrote:
Crown wrote:I haven't been able to find a second source for this article in the Australian media ...
Same here.
Look at my previous post.

Sorry, must've missed it.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2004-02-08 01:11am

Gandalf wrote:
Enigma wrote:
Gandalf wrote: Same here.
Look at my previous post.
Sorry, must've missed it.

That is okay.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-02-08 02:47am

I love living in Texas, MPAA comes to my door wanting to search my house I ask for a warrent, when they can't produce one I slam the door in their face a lock it. Should they attempt to bypass the door by means of force they are causing damage to my property and I now have the legal right to shoot them dead.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2004-02-08 02:50am

Bring it on RIAA