CNN calls Washington for Kerry. Stick a fork in Dean.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-02-07 09:10pm

Stick a fork in Dean. He's done. Kerry has just carried Washington, where Dean's support had formerly been the strongest, for Kerry, and Kerry has a commanding lead in Michigan, where Dean had spent much of his time on the campaign trail. It looks pretty official: Kerry's going to be the Democratic nominee.

Shaidar Haran · Post by **Shaidar Haran** » 2004-02-07 09:16pm

Woohoo.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-02-07 09:26pm

I bet he's going to scream alot now.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-02-07 09:43pm

God forbid ANYBODY from outside of Washington's incestuous little circle-jerk get into power.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-02-07 09:50pm

Bah, if I were an American I'd be under the "Anyone but Bush" ticket. I wouldn't care if Al Sharpton won.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-02-07 09:52pm

Iceberg wrote:God forbid ANYBODY from outside of Washington's incestuous little circle-jerk get into power.

Hey, it was Dean's race to lose. He lost it. You can be upset about it, but I can't see how he has anyone to blame but himself.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-02-07 09:52pm

Vympel wrote:Bah, if I were an American I'd be under the "Anyone but Bush" ticket. I wouldn't care if Al Sharpton won.

You obviously don't know too much about Sharpton...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-07 11:54pm

Vympel wrote:Bah, if I were an American I'd be under the "Anyone but Bush" ticket. I wouldn't care if Al Sharpton won.

This is a rather ignorant position, wouldn't you say?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2004-02-07 11:58pm

Ma Deuce wrote:You obviously don't know too much about Sharpton...

From the simple standpoint of someone who lives on the other side of a big ocean, Sharpton may not be the worse choice. While he may screw us up domestically, he probably won't go and purposefully piss off all our closest allies like Bush did.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-02-07 11:58pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
This is a rather ignorant position, wouldn't you say?

I just don't approve of Bush- a Democratic candidate would have to be significantly worse than Bush for me to either abstain from voting or vote for another four years of Bush, and I don't see that out of any of the Democratic presidential candidates. In this case, I'd rather go with the devil I *don't* know than the devil I know.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-08 12:04am

Vympel wrote:a Democratic candidate would have to be significantly worse than Bush for me to either abstain from voting or vote for another four years of Bush, and I don't see that out of any of the Democratic presidential candidates.

Al Sharpton doesn't count?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-02-08 12:35am

Iceberg wrote:God forbid ANYBODY from outside of Washington's incestuous little circle-jerk get into power.

In case you've forgotten, the sitting President was a Washington outsider. So was the last one. And Reagan. And Carter. I know you're disappointed because your man isn't getting nominated, but "insider politics" did not sink Howard Dean--his own big mouth did. He talked mainstream Democratic voters into believing he couldn't successfully challenge George W. Bush, and so they went and voted for the guy who, IMO, actually has and has always had the best chance of anyone in the Democratic party right now to win.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-02-08 12:39am

Interestingly enough, Vympel, Bush's political strategists are aiding the Sharpton campaign, simply to suck away votes from the other players.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2004-02-08 01:30am

Can anyone elaborate on the allegations associating Kerry with Jane Fonda?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-02-08 03:41am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Al Sharpton doesn't count?

Well, what's he going to do if (and we're talking parallel universe here) he gets in office?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-08 04:13am

Vympel wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Al Sharpton doesn't count?
Well, what's he going to do if (and we're talking parallel universe here) he gets in office?

If he had his way? Increase federal spending by at least a full trillion.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-02-08 07:27am

Joe wrote:
If he had his way? Increase federal spending by at least a full trillion.

I find that extremely hard to believe.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-02-08 09:08am

Bad times for Dean.....

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-08 12:02pm

Vympel wrote:
Joe wrote:
If he had his way? Increase federal spending by at least a full trillion.
I find that extremely hard to believe.

Check it for yourself.

Bush might be a fundie moron, but Sharpton's a racist shakedown artist.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-08 01:52pm

Vympel wrote:
Joe wrote:
If he had his way? Increase federal spending by at least a full trillion.
I find that extremely hard to believe.

1.33 trillion, actually.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-02-08 04:32pm

Ma Deuce wrote:
Vympel wrote:Bah, if I were an American I'd be under the "Anyone but Bush" ticket. I wouldn't care if Al Sharpton won.
You obviously don't know too much about Sharpton...

Robin Williams on Al Sharpton: "If Al Sharpton bails on your ass, even rats are going, 'Man, that's guy's quick!'."

0.1 · Post by **0.1** » 2004-02-08 06:17pm

Vymp,

That's actually a really interesting proposition. I'd love to see what someone like an Al Sharpton or a Howard Dean would do in office.

Mind you, I don't like any of the democrats running, but if nothing else, I'd like to see what these so called outside of mainstream candidates would do if they got a hold of this country.

It may not be good for America, but it sure as hell will be entertaining if you look at it from the outside.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-08 07:57pm

More trouble for Dean-O

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-02-08 08:22pm

Eh, doesn't really matter. He'd lose with their support. Now he'll lose without their support.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-02-08 09:54pm

Joe wrote:If he had his way? Increase federal spending by at least a full trillion.

That's why we have the legislative branch to exercise checks and balances.