Capt. Picard says no to space travel

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2004-02-11 08:43pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:So can colonies.

Fine, stay on your filthy planest.

Admit it, you just want to bring about the birth of newtypes.

Sieg Zeon!

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-02-11 10:26pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
phongn wrote: Not as good as Rob Wilson, I'd bet.
Exactly my point.

Exactly as I thought

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-11 10:45pm

Andrew J. wrote:Admit it, you just want to bring about the birth of newtypes.

Sieg Zeon!

SIEG ZEON!!

Anyway... Yes, while Gundam did help to introduce me to the romanticism of Island IIIs and the High Frontier, I've always been a supporter of space colony construction over planetary colonisation. I feel that it is a better use of time, resources, and money, not to mention that I am utterly and totally against the idea of terraforming, on both logical and ethical levels.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-02-12 12:22pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I feel that it is a better use of time, resources, and money, not to mention that I am utterly and totally against the idea of terraforming, on both logical and ethical levels.

What do you find unethical about terraforming?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-12 12:24pm

I see it as arrogance in it's ultimate form, as well as a refusal to adapt to a native environment.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-02-12 12:29pm

We've actually been terraforming this whole time. Humans don't adapt to new environments like other animals do. Our cities and suburbs are totally alien compared to the native terrain. To say it's arrogance to adapt an environment to suit us is ignoring almost all of our civilization's history. While I agree that we shouldn't introduce Earth life to alien worlds that already have flora and fauna, I can't see anything arrogant about making some hellhole's atmosphere breathable.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-12 12:42pm

I'm refering to such on the scale that Mars is suggested to be terraformed at. Don't try such pathetic nitpicks.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-02-12 12:47pm

It wasn't intended to be a nitpick. I think it's a valid point. Humans can't adapt new environments. We have to change them to suit us, especially if we're going to spread out into the rest fo the galaxy. I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'm just curious as to why you think it's wrong to terraform Mars. Even to the fullest extent, making it essentially a Terra Prime.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-02-12 12:50pm

Mars is a desolate shithole anyway, I doubt we'll be destroying anything other than endangered dirt.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-12 02:30pm

Well, in regards to productivity, I also see it as a massive waste of time. Especially when you consider that it might not even work. In the time spent waiting for Mars to become green, we would have already established an enourmous population within the Earth Sphere.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-02-12 02:35pm

I agree completely, although you've yet to explain how terraforming is unethical.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-12 02:56pm

I already did. I just personally find the concept to be extremely narrow-minded and arrogant.