US citizens vs Mexican military on teh border

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2004-02-14 06:00pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Defiant wrote:As for Mexico, we've let them shit on us for years, and I'm still not quite sure why.
Because there's nothing to be done about it. Let's say that the USA invaded and conquered Mexico. How would that solve any of the problems that Mexico causes? More like it would exacerbate them.

Assuming that invasion would be the only action at our disposal to deal with the problems with Mexico. There have to be other ways.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-14 06:02pm

Well, there was this Chinese Emperor many centuries ago who had this idea of a really big Wall ...

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2004-02-14 06:04pm

Darth Wong wrote:Well, there was this Chinese Emperor many centuries ago who had this idea of a really big Wall ...

Hehehe, I'm reminded of a South Park episode involving the City Wok guy...

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-02-14 06:04pm

The Wall of America... I like the sound of that. Guard posts and an electrified chain-link fence.

But what if someone gets killed? Do we arrest our people for defending against a foreign power?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2004-02-14 06:09pm

Darth Wong wrote:Well, there was this Chinese Emperor many centuries ago who had this idea of a really big Wall ...

I like it!

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-02-14 06:14pm

Defiant wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Well, there was this Chinese Emperor many centuries ago who had this idea of a really big Wall ...
I like it!

That is one shitty border for us to fortify (damn you, Gadsden!), except for the Texas stretch. It moves across without any real regard to terrain, from the Rio Grande to the Pacific. It would cost a fortune to build, maintain, and staff, and there would still be a somewhat reduced flow of Mexicans choosing to take the sea route. It wouldn't be worth the cash... and anyway, the illegals contribute to our economy by taking shitty jobs at virtually no pay. That's the American way.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-02-14 06:20pm

Not to mention it wouldn't fly politically.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-14 06:24pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:The list linked to there of Border Incidents is pretty shit too....over the past 7 years they have 4 incidents listed, 2 of which sound like them PREVENTING illegals coming into america or drugs being brought in....which is what these fucknuts are complaining about in the first place....

This is just a most recent occasion. There's been countless times this has happened. Not to mention, about a year back, they opened fire on the Border Patrol while on our side of the border.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-02-14 06:36pm

God forbid that someone should promote a change in drug policy that would hamstring these drug cartels.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-02-14 06:42pm

Frank Hipper wrote:God forbid that someone should promote a change in drug policy that would hamstring these drug cartels.

NO. We are winning the war on drugs. Stay the course. The drugs are committing suicide in their tanks. I triple guarantee you, there are no drugs in America.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-02-14 07:05pm

Frank Hipper wrote:God forbid that someone should promote a change in drug policy that would hamstring these drug cartels.

Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2004-02-14 07:15pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:But what if someone gets killed? Do we arrest our people for defending against a foreign power?

Why would we? Hell, we'd probably give them a medal.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-02-14 07:23pm

I don't think the US government can politically allow Americans to kill foreign troops.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-14 07:52pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I don't think the US government can politically allow Americans to kill foreign troops.

What? What do you call the Iraqi Army? Yugoslavian Army? Panamanians during JUST CAUSE?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-02-14 07:54pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

What? What do you call the Iraqi Army? Yugoslavian Army? Panamanians during JUST CAUSE?

I think he's talking about American civilians.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-14 07:57pm

Well Constitutionally they have the right to form a militia, no?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-02-14 08:00pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Well Constitutionally they have the right to form a militia, no?

Certainly, a "well-regulated militia" (whatever the fuck that means, damn those 18th century prose poets). This guy isn't forming one, though, he's just setting up a posse to shoot it out with the thugs crossing the border. Ordinarily I'd say that it's stupid for them to shoot it out with military units, but we're talking about the Mexican army.

The worst case would be if the people they're picking a fight with have been pseudo-mercenaries for a long time and have some "combat" experience against rival cartels and their Mexican army units.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-02-14 08:00pm

Mr Bean wrote:Unless you plan to fortify a few thousand miles of desolate desert, then putting the Army on the border is not going to help things much as there is to much border for to little Army

Unless of course as mentioned you plan to fortify the area with motion sensors and what-not and form Response units a mile or two behind the border with Mechanized Infantry/Air support to respond to any contacts with very liberal ROE

155mm howitzers and 120mm mortars will give better reaction times.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-02-14 08:03pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:155mm howitzers and 120mm mortars will give better reaction times.

Good luck getting the voters to back that one

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-02-14 08:10pm

The people of Veracruz must be praying that nothing comes of this.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-02-14 08:10pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: Good luck getting the voters to back that one

But the ammo production will stimulate the manufacturing industry. And people will enjoy speeding around on the web of nice razor straight roads we'll be building to support the boarder batteries of national defence.

CelesKnight · Post by **CelesKnight** » 2004-02-14 08:36pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:You know, I don't think the world realizes how lucky they are that America doesn't decide it needs a little more "lebensraum". Who could stop us from conquering all of the Americas?
The American public would never, ever stand for that.

I think that that was his point, and the world is lucky because of it.

I wonder how the ordinary Mexican's would react to a real invasion? Presumably they would be up in arms over it, and that could be really bad as there are a lot of Mexican's living in the US. The US may have problems similar to what Isreal is having, meaning constant attacks by ordinary people wou are already living within their country.

I like the idea of a good wall, and then make it known that anyone illegally crossing it will be shot.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-02-14 09:39pm

Bah, we already invaded Mexico, where do you think we got California?

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-02-14 09:47pm

I say bravo for these guys. Heck, the local authorities haven't been doing much of anything, and the illegals are known for stealing and vandalizing property.

Fire away, Arizona Militia.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-02-14 09:49pm

HemlockGrey wrote:The people of Veracruz must be praying that nothing comes of this.

Well, I got that one, Hemlock.