Mel Gibson's Dad, #1 Jew Fan

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-20 04:11pm

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-02-20 04:16pm

Wow, that'll discount any claims to antisemitism in the Gibson household. Well now the fodder really ought to fly.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-02-20 04:20pm

Reminds me of an old, really obscure canadian TV movie called "Oakmount High"...

(for those who haven't seen it, a character in "Oakmount High" was a paranoid schoolteacher who blamed everything on some "eee-vil" jewish conspiracy...)

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-02-20 04:21pm

Someone forgot to take their medicine.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-02-20 04:34pm

Seem to be the signs of psychical erosion......

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-02-20 04:52pm

I thought Gibson's dad was a holocaust denier. What the hell is going on?

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2004-02-20 04:59pm

Guardsman Bass wrote:I thought Gibson's dad was a holocaust denier. What the hell is going on?

He is, didn't you read the article?~Jason

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-20 05:01pm

Guardsman Bass wrote:I thought Gibson's dad was a holocaust denier. What the hell is going on?

He's denying the Holocaust, that's what's going on. Didn't you read the article?

Anyhoo, somebody shut him up. Lynch Alan Greenspan... What an idiot.

Although I am not about to hold guilt of blood over to Mel. That would be just as bad as what he's saying about the Jews. I wait until Ash Wednesday, go see the movie, and then we'll see about it. He repeatedly denies anti-Semitism in an interview he gave Newsweek, saying (rightly) that it is his foremost duty as a Christian to love the Jew along with everyone else. That doesn't exactly sound like dear old Dad to me.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-02-20 05:05pm

Easy Rebuttal:

"Prove it."

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-20 05:09pm

Hey Xenophobe, just pointing out that you now qualify for a custom title.

Yeah, and that rebuttal about sums it up.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-02-20 05:17pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Hey Xenophobe, just pointing out that you now qualify for a custom title. Yeah, and that rebuttal about sums it up.

lol, thanks, I've been trying to think of one, but it's taking me a while.

About the rebuttal, it's what I say whenever someone says something really outlandish or tries to brag or something and I know they're lying. It's funny to see their faces just fall down flat...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-20 06:04pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Although I am not about to hold guilt of blood over to Mel. That would be just as bad as what he's saying about the Jews.

Strawman fallacy. The controversy carries over to Mel and rightly so, because Mel refuses to denounce his father's beliefs and statements. I've pointed this out several times before to you, and you continue to spout this strawman bullshit where you pretend that people are going after Mel with no reason other than blood relation. What is your fucking problem?

I wait until Ash Wednesday, go see the movie, and then we'll see about it. He repeatedly denies anti-Semitism in an interview he gave Newsweek, saying (rightly) that it is his foremost duty as a Christian to love the Jew along with everyone else. That doesn't exactly sound like dear old Dad to me.

Nor does it sound like him denouncing his father's views, does it? It is, in fact, perfectly consistent with the prevailing theory that he believes his father is right about the Jews being evil, but he is compelled to "love" them anyway.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-02-20 07:12pm

Ok, I'm an idiot.

Sorry, the link didn't work at the school computer I was using when I made that post.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-20 07:17pm

It may be a strawman, but aren't you poisoning the well?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-20 07:24pm

Rogue 9 wrote:It may be a strawman, but aren't you poisoning the well?

Nice "Tu Quoque" fallacy. Too bad your argument remains a bullshit strawman (and a quite deliberate one in my opinion, since we've been over this ground before, and you stubbornly insist on repeating the strawman distortion despite being corrected several times), and my criticism of Mel's politics would only be a "poisoning the well" fallacy if this were a debate about the film rather than a thread about Gibson and his father, in which Mel's politics are the precise subject matter rather than an irrelevance.

Go look up your fallacy definitions, fucktard.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-02-20 07:25pm

Rogue 9 wrote:It may be a strawman, but aren't you poisoning the well?

Huh? I don't get it. Are you talking about Wong's remarks?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-20 07:29pm

He seems to think that I'm trying to attack the film by attacking Mel, when I have thought from the beginning that the real story of this film is not the film itself (I mean, who really gives a fuck about yet another film about the Jesus myth?) but what it tells us about Mel Gibson. For me, Mel Gibson himself has always been the main issue. And to think I actually thought the guy was cool 15 years ago ... gah.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-20 07:30pm

Right, right. I'll shut up now. I didn't really want to discuss Mel's politics. *Resolves to learn to shut up sooner.*

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-02-20 07:32pm

Darth Wong wrote:He seems to think that I'm trying to attack the film by attacking Mel, when I have thought from the beginning that the real story of this film is not the film itself (I mean, who really gives a fuck about yet another film about the Jesus myth?) but what it tells us about Mel Gibson. For me, Mel Gibson himself has always been the main issue. And to think I actually thought the guy was cool 15 years ago ... gah.

Since I was three years old then, what movies of his did you like- I know, it's diverting off the thread, but the thread is already almost abandoned.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-20 07:33pm

Darth Wong wrote:He seems to think that I'm trying to attack the film by attacking Mel, when I have thought from the beginning that the real story of this film is not the film itself (I mean, who really gives a fuck about yet another film about the Jesus myth?) but what it tells us about Mel Gibson. For me, Mel Gibson himself has always been the main issue. And to think I actually thought the guy was cool 15 years ago ... gah.

Come on, how could you not want to see a movie with this trailer?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-20 07:37pm

Guardsman Bass wrote:Since I was three years old then, what movies of his did you like- I know, it's diverting off the thread, but the thread is already almost abandoned.

I liked Lethal Weapon (the original one, not the sequels) and the first two Mad Max films. I also liked "Payback". But his recent stuff has sucked, with very obvious religious overtones. The first half-hour of "We were Soldiers" is virtually a Catholic recruiting movie, and we all know how fucked-up "Signs" was.

It would appear that he got heavily into drinking and drugs about ten years ago and did precisely as he was conditioned to: he took refuge in his childhood beliefs. The same damned story I hear from just about every 'born again" I ever meet. If Mel were a Protestant, he would be a "born again".

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-02-20 07:43pm

I'm a real priest, this is a real seal, and this is the real Spanish Inquisition!

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-20 07:58pm

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2004-02-20 08:50pm

Hah, the popup that came when I viewed the page was one of those Internet IQ Test things, and in it there was a big picture of Einstein! Irony at its finest...

This is sort of old news, though. I've been a bit weirded out about Mel for some time now.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-02-20 09:12pm

Joe wrote:
Come on, how could you not want to see a movie with this trailer?

What the flying fuck?!?