Girls arrested for perjury

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-21 06:27pm

Well this is a new low. These girls were willing to send a man to jail, possibly for years, in order to avoid detention.

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I say put 'em away for a good long time. Like, say, 8 months.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-02-21 06:31pm

i say ship 'em into juvie for at least the same amount of time that the guy they framed got. . . . .what they did may not have been violent but their idiocy may have fucked up someone's life even more than it already was and make it next to impossible to clean up again.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-02-21 06:45pm

I think they need to learn the hard way the consequences of lying.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-21 08:09pm

Shirley MacDonald Juarez, an attorney for one of the girls, criticized the way police handled the case. "These girls have been totally cooperative with police. There was no need for this," she said.

Oh, so making up a story that imprisons an innocent guy for 8 fucking months is being cooperative with the cops? Fucking cunt.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-21 08:12pm

Joe wrote:
Shirley MacDonald Juarez, an attorney for one of the girls, criticized the way police handled the case. "These girls have been totally cooperative with police. There was no need for this," she said.
Oh, so making up a story that imprisons an innocent guy for 8 fucking months is being cooperative with the cops? Fucking cunt.

That's about what I said.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2004-02-21 10:01pm

Fucking christ, talk about complete bitches. I hope they get as long as possible for that stunt. Sending someone to jail to 5 years, so they wouldn't be marked late. I hope that they at least didn't think that he'd get a long time...

One of the girls testified at a court hearing that Nordmark started choking her and she felt that she was going to black out.

No, nevermind, they knew.

May they burn and let justice be harsh.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2004-02-21 10:43pm

Jail the fucking bitches. The homeless man did nothing to deserve 8 months in the slammer.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-02-21 11:35pm

It doesn't get much worse than being jailed for a crime you didn't commit. Not only did it suck away nearly a year of his life, he has to live with the child molester stigma; even though he didn't do it.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-02-22 12:37am

I'm thinking big-ass slander suit.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-22 12:41am

neoolong wrote:I'm thinking big-ass slander suit.

They're minors, he can't sue them.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-02-22 01:53am

Parents would probably be held responsible.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-22 02:22am

neoolong wrote:Parents would probably be held responsible.

At least one of the mothers thought that they needed jail time for what they did, IIRC.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-02-22 06:06am

Damn straight. But seriously, the guy should get some compensation for being wrongly imprisoned.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2004-02-22 03:07pm

Holy Salem Witch Hunt, Batman!

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-22 03:46pm

SAMAS wrote:Holy Salem Witch Hunt, Batman!

Excuse me? The girls weren't coerced to witness by people who wanted to find him guilty. They just randomly lied.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-02-22 03:56pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
SAMAS wrote:Holy Salem Witch Hunt, Batman!
Excuse me? The girls weren't coerced to witness by people who wanted to find him guilty. They just randomly lied.

i think SAMAS was referring to the bit in the salem witch trials when a few girls lied about their servant casting spells on them and doing evil magic in order to get off the hook about dancing naked in the woods. it's very similar in principle.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-02-22 04:32pm

Damn, what a completely dicked up story. It makes it even worse that the girls are so young.

The question is.. what to do. I know most of you would probably say lock them up for 8 months too. But I'm hesitant for girls so young when they're clearly not violent criminals or real menaces to society.

I say there has to be some other means that they can pay back for their crime outside of jail sentance. A heavy fine, TONS (and I mean TONS) of community service and probably other services as well until they're probably 18. But I don't think jail would be appropriate.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-22 04:38pm

Trytostaydead wrote:Damn, what a completely dicked up story. It makes it even worse that the girls are so young.

The question is.. what to do. I know most of you would probably say lock them up for 8 months too. But I'm hesitant for girls so young when they're clearly not violent criminals or real menaces to society.

I say there has to be some other means that they can pay back for their crime outside of jail sentance. A heavy fine, TONS (and I mean TONS) of community service and probably other services as well until they're probably 18. But I don't think jail would be appropriate.

You realize what they did, right? The purposefully and maliciously banished an innocent man to prison as a cover story for being late to school. I can see lightening the sentence of the one who had second thoughts and confessed, but the others? They were prepared to let him rot for years.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2004-02-22 09:35pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Trytostaydead wrote:Damn, what a completely dicked up story. It makes it even worse that the girls are so young.

The question is.. what to do. I know most of you would probably say lock them up for 8 months too. But I'm hesitant for girls so young when they're clearly not violent criminals or real menaces to society.

I say there has to be some other means that they can pay back for their crime outside of jail sentance. A heavy fine, TONS (and I mean TONS) of community service and probably other services as well until they're probably 18. But I don't think jail would be appropriate.
You realize what they did, right? The purposefully and maliciously banished an innocent man to prison as a cover story for being late to school. I can see lightening the sentence of the one who had second thoughts and confessed, but the others? They were prepared to let him rot for years.

Let's not forget he's been registered as a sex offender and unless his name is removed from the list, his life is ruined.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-22 09:43pm

They would pretty much have to remove him from the list, wouldn't they? He's been cleared.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2004-02-23 12:12am

Rogue 9 wrote:They would pretty much have to remove him from the list, wouldn't they? He's been cleared.

I wouldn't trust a name to be removed from a government list...

Seen enough times were old tickets still come up in the computer system even though they have been payed/dismmissed.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-02-23 04:27am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Trytostaydead wrote:Damn, what a completely dicked up story. It makes it even worse that the girls are so young.

The question is.. what to do. I know most of you would probably say lock them up for 8 months too. But I'm hesitant for girls so young when they're clearly not violent criminals or real menaces to society.

I say there has to be some other means that they can pay back for their crime outside of jail sentance. A heavy fine, TONS (and I mean TONS) of community service and probably other services as well until they're probably 18. But I don't think jail would be appropriate.
You realize what they did, right? The purposefully and maliciously banished an innocent man to prison as a cover story for being late to school. I can see lightening the sentence of the one who had second thoughts and confessed, but the others? They were prepared to let him rot for years.

Yes indeed, but did you think rationally and understand how the world worked when you were 12? They made a BIG misjudgement, but an error that was caught thank God. I'm all for punishment, if we had canings still in practice, I'd say give them and their parents a good horse whipping.

But as for imprisonment, I think you'd just ruin two potentially salvagable girls.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-23 04:38am

Trytostaydead wrote:Yes indeed, but did you think rationally and understand how the world worked when you were 12?

No, but I wasn't so fucking selfish that I would try to ruin someone's life to get out of a late slip either.

They made a BIG misjudgement, but an error that was caught thank God.

No, a "misjudgement" would be something like thinking that one car-length of space between you and the car in front of you is enough distance on a rain-slicked road. This was not a "misjudgement" by any stretch of the imagination. It was an incredibly selfish act of depraved callousness which indicates a fundamental contempt for other human beings.

I'm all for punishment, if we had canings still in practice, I'd say give them and their parents a good horse whipping.

But as for imprisonment, I think you'd just ruin two potentially salvagable girls.

Yeah, sure. Anyone willing to let someone rot in prison in order to get herself out of a late slip has such contempt for human beings that she is never going to mature into anything remotely resembling a worthwhile member of society anyway.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-02-23 05:12am

Isn't that the crux of the problem though? It's not a black and white issue, as much as we would like it to be.

I do not argue the depravity and depth of contempt with which they evidently held for the nameless homeless men. Nor does it make it any peachier that it was done to get out of a tardy. In all of those regards I think they should be punished, and punished severely.

But will slapping them in jail for a few years make them miraculous productive members of society? Doubt it, especially at their age. The age of 12 is approximately when their endocrine and neuroendocrine system is going through drastic changes. Just from a physiological/neurological point of view I would not want them to go to jail if it could be prevented.. you'd be assuring that they'd be fucked up in the head. They'll be out again at the most by what, 18? And what will they have learned and what will we have gained?

Probably nothing but another fucked-up teenager.

I agree, there is a line that they crossed when it comes from just the irresponsibility, lack of judgement, forethought and rational thinking that these girls crossed, despite their young age at 11. However, they do not represent a threat to society. At least I've not heard yet how they will.

But am I espousing that they get away scott-free? Absolutely not! I think severe punishment should be metered out. But in a way that they could learn from it and give back to society. Should there be heavy fines? Hell yes, and most of it should go to the poor man. Community service? A DAMN lot. In fact, they should have just about zero free time for the next like five years of their lives. They should be cleaning the parks, streets, working hard in soup kitchens. While all their friends go to movies and dates, they help the community.

But is jail the answer? No, it's just putting away a problem and ensuring that it gets worst. Because what happens, in a few years they're released and while they might not be psychopaths, but I don't think any wrong will be righte, and these girls will have at least another 60-70 years to live where all they'll have learned and given back is not to put a homeless in jail again.

Because yes, when you're growing you change dramatically. Let's not fuck up our chances to produce proper members of society by locking them up and ensuring a fucked up state of mind afterwards.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-02-23 05:25am

Edit:

Sorry for the somewhat incoherent long post above.

Look, if the psychologist/psychiatrist says these girls are pathological and are deemd a danger to society. Fine, lock 'em up.

But if these were just two eleven year old girls who just kept getting sucked deeper into their web of lies.. I say there should be another means than being locked up that would satisfy all the parties concerned.