Whole Trade Federation VS The Borg Collective

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-02-20 08:21pm

The entire Trade Federation fleet (post TPM era, where most battleships have the military command towers). The entire Trade Federation fleet is dropped in the DQ right outside of the Borg Collective. The fleet is the most cannon fleet numbers that we know of (the globe-encircling fleet at Naboo and I am assuming that there were more battleships). The Trade wants to destroy the Borg for economic reasons, such as, the materials they need are in the middle of Borg space. (weapons fuel, hull material, and misc.).

Trade Federation Fleet Assets:2000+ Post TPM era Trade Federation Battleships-each battleships has: 1,500 droid starfighters, 64,000 battle droids, 550 MTTs, 6,300 AATs.

Borg Fleet Assets::No Clue??? Mabye someone can outline the Borg's assets and troops.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-20 08:23pm

[Vader] All too easy. [/Vader]

Ronaldo · Post by **Ronaldo** » 2004-02-21 01:48am

I doubt that the Trade Federation would even break a sweat destroying the Borg. You should make this more fair. Give the TF a handful of battleships rather than their entire fleet.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-21 01:50pm

Of course the Trade Federation is incompitant. They may end up losing a few of their Battleships to Borg Assimilation.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-02-21 04:21pm

HOw many cubes would it take to bring down a TF Battleship?

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2004-02-21 04:23pm

Oh God. Was this a deliberate Borg curbstomp, or was it a joke? Either way, who the hell voted Borg and MAD?

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-02-21 04:35pm

Techno_Union wrote:HOw many cubes would it take to bring down a TF Battleship?

A number large enough that the force could not be properly brought to bare on A TF battleship. Face it SW curbstomps ST in just about every sitiuation conceived.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-02-21 04:40pm

Which would be more reasonable then, 50 or a 100 Trade Battleships against the Borg?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-02-21 04:46pm

even 50 would be overkill against the Borg, really.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-02-21 05:26pm

Embracer Of Darkness wrote:Oh God. Was this a deliberate Borg curbstomp, or was it a joke? Either way, who the hell voted Borg and MAD?

I'll give you one guess as to who voted the Borg would win. *whistles innocently and looks at ceiling*

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-02-21 05:29pm

Darth_Zod wrote:even 50 would be overkill against the Borg, really.

Perhaps one? Damaged hyperdrive, only 1/10 crew alive(though dazed and suffering from concussions), 99% weapons offline, drifting...

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2004-02-21 05:37pm

Robert Walper wrote:
Embracer Of Darkness wrote:Oh God. Was this a deliberate Borg curbstomp, or was it a joke? Either way, who the hell voted Borg and MAD?
I'll give you one guess as to who voted the Borg would win. *whistles innocently and looks at ceiling*

Never would've guessed Rob.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-02-21 06:00pm

What would happen if the Borg did assimilate one? COuld they use that to their advantage? Or are the Trade's computers way to advance for the Borg?

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2004-02-21 06:51pm

Techno_Union wrote:What would happen if the Borg did assimilate one? COuld they use that to their advantage? Or are the Trade's computers way to advance for the Borg?

They do not possess the required resources and technology to make much use of a captured vessel.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-02-21 09:00pm

Robert Walper wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote:even 50 would be overkill against the Borg, really.
Perhaps one? Damaged hyperdrive, only 1/10 crew alive(though dazed and suffering from concussions), 99% weapons offline, drifting...

You vastly overestimate the battleworthyness of a Trade Federation cruiser. The things are basically carriers, with fighters that can be easily destroyed even by the lowest borg calcs, and weapons coverage so poor that provided that the borg had the intellegence to get below the ship and pound upwards the Federation couldn't touch them.

As for crew, it has what, ~200 business men and a lot of droids? Get on the main bridge and assimilate the comupter and you have it.

Only thing here is getting through the shields, which unfortunatly, the borg cannot do.

However, I'll vote borg just to be an ass.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-02-21 09:03pm

Techno_Union wrote:What would happen if the Borg did assimilate one? COuld they use that to their advantage? Or are the Trade's computers way to advance for the Borg?

Some people will say that toys from SW are far too advanced to be understood.

Computers, I might agree on, the processing rate SW computers need for somethng like an R2 until was calced to be a very low end 1E25 calculations per second to plot a course. Scale that up to the main computers which have to do a million other things at the same time.

This does not mean however, that the circuit breakers are beyond the borg and they can't just trip them to shut down all the droids.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-02-22 02:30am

Ender wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote:even 50 would be overkill against the Borg, really.
Perhaps one? Damaged hyperdrive, only 1/10 crew alive(though dazed and suffering from concussions), 99% weapons offline, drifting...
You vastly overestimate the battleworthyness of a Trade Federation cruiser.

*chuckles* Naw, you're talking to the guy who believes a Borg cube could carve up a couple of ISDs...

The things are basically carriers, with fighters that can be easily destroyed even by the lowest borg calcs, and weapons coverage so poor that provided that the borg had the intellegence to get below the ship and pound upwards the Federation couldn't touch them.

As for crew, it has what, ~200 business men and a lot of droids? Get on the main bridge and assimilate the comupter and you have it.

Only thing here is getting through the shields, which unfortunatly, the borg cannot do.

Surely the Trade Federation shields don't have virtually unlimited power or recharge capability. You'd think enough hits with enough weapons, even Trek ones, would drop them.

However, I'll vote borg just to be an ass.

Welcome to my club.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-22 02:40am

Robert Walper wrote: Surely the Trade Federation shields don't have virtually unlimited power or recharge capability. You'd think enough hits with enough weapons, even Trek ones, would drop them.

Who said anything about requiring unlimited power or recharge? Shields redirect energy; they do not need to output energy. In theory, an energy redirection system with a known steady-state power dissipation limit should be able to handle that load indefinitely. Does anyone ask how long it will take for a heat sink to run out of its ability to dissipate heat?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-22 02:43am

Darth Wong wrote:
Robert Walper wrote: Surely the Trade Federation shields don't have virtually unlimited power or recharge capability. You'd think enough hits with enough weapons, even Trek ones, would drop them.
Who said anything about requiring unlimited power or recharge? Shields redirect energy; they do not need to output energy. In theory, an energy redirection system with a known steady-state power dissipation limit should be able to handle that load indefinitely. Does anyone ask how long it will take for a heat sink to run out of its ability to dissipate heat?

No, because heat sinks are made of matter. Since and energy field has to be maintained the limitind point is the power capaity of the ships reactor.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-22 02:45am

Isolder74 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Who said anything about requiring unlimited power or recharge? Shields redirect energy; they do not need to output energy. In theory, an energy redirection system with a known steady-state power dissipation limit should be able to handle that load indefinitely. Does anyone ask how long it will take for a heat sink to run out of its ability to dissipate heat?
No, because heat sinks are made of matter. Since and energy field has to be maintained the limitind point is the power capaity of the ships reactor.

Non sequitur. The shield must be maintained but that is no reason to believe that its power draw must increase when it redirects an energy blast, so there is no reason to believe that a large number of hits will necessarily "drain" any kind of reserves.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-22 02:48am

Darth Wong wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Who said anything about requiring unlimited power or recharge? Shields redirect energy; they do not need to output energy. In theory, an energy redirection system with a known steady-state power dissipation limit should be able to handle that load indefinitely. Does anyone ask how long it will take for a heat sink to run out of its ability to dissipate heat?
No, because heat sinks are made of matter. Since and energy field has to be maintained the limitind point is the power capaity of the ships reactor.
Non sequitur. The shield must be maintained but that is no reason to believe that its power draw must increase when it redirects an energy blast, so there is no reason to believe that a large number of hits will necessarily "drain" any kind of reserves.

What Meant is if the ship has only 1 gigiwatt we can use that aas a lower limit for power disapation

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-22 02:53am

Isolder74 wrote:What Meant is if the ship has only 1 gigiwatt we can use that aas a lower limit for power disapation

1 gigawatt of what?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-22 02:57am

Darth Wong wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:What Meant is if the ship has only 1 gigiwatt we can use that aas a lower limit for power disapation
1 gigawatt of what?

Reactor power. If weapons fire should exceede the refresh rate of the sheild it should fail. The idea of The shield burning out from damage is a brain bug. Unless the hardware is damages they shield should stay up until you overwhel its capacity

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-22 03:09am

Isolder74 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:What Meant is if the ship has only 1 gigiwatt we can use that aas a lower limit for power disapation
1 gigawatt of what?
Reactor power. If weapons fire should exceede the refresh rate of the sheild it should fail.

Incorrect. The transfer rate of a heat exchanger system is not necessarily limited by its input power. In the case of a heat sink, it requires no power at all. The fact that the shield requires some power simply to exist does not necessarily mean that this power draw must be related to its heat dissipation limits.

As a real-life example, it is possible for a heat pump to put much more heat into a house than it actually draws in terms of wattage.

The idea of The shield burning out from damage is a brain bug. Unless the hardware is damages they shield should stay up until you overwhel its capacity

Well, it's demonstrably true in Star Trek, but there's no basis for it in Star Wars. The problem is the Trekkie tendency to instinctively apply Trek paradigms to everything.

Son of the Suns · Post by **Son of the Suns** » 2004-02-22 03:40am

Techno_Union wrote:
Trade Federation Fleet Assets:2000+ Post TPM era Trade Federation Battleships-each battleships has: 1,500 droid starfighters, 64,000 battle droids, 550 MTTs, 6,300 AATs.

Borg Fleet Assets::No Clue??? Mabye someone can outline the Borg's assets and troops.

1500 droid starfighters per ship? WTF?

Depends on how fast the Trade Union moves. my answer to this is the same as the answer to the Imperial warlord vs. the Borg the thread, if, the Borg can assimilate a Trade Federation ship, and that ship's computer's have the necessary data to construct SW technology, and if the Borg have the time to modify their fleets, then the Trade Federation loses.

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