THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:I will not entertain any flaming so Please Refrain from it.
Absolutely. No flaming from me

I think I oftentimes come across
as a real jerk, but I'm really not for the most part...the vast
majority of the time I approach things with all the best intentions
I enjoyed the movie immensely, but I found it to be very flawed for a Star Trek Film. I didn't like the post WW III setting, with the whole overused post apocalyptic future scenario. And I didn't like how Zephraim Cochran was written, he seemed more like drunken hobo them a guy who was going to make an impact with history, B&B attempt at making a seemingly insignificant man turn into an icon I think failed miserably in my eyes.
That's actually quite a good criticism. I don't think Cochrane's alcoholism was really overdone in the film--perhaps a bit--but it WAS a bit of a stretch
to portray this truly heroic innovator as a stone-cold boozer.
I mean, it's certainly possible for an innovator of sorts TO be a drunk.
Hell, I'm drinking a beer as I write this, and I like to think I'm a highly
intelligent person. But if I understand your criticism of the film, it's
really not that Cochrane was a drunk that's bothering you; rather, it's
the rather trite "we can all make a difference!" message as such that's
getting rather old. It's been forced down all our throats, yet most of
us understand that it's just flat-out bullshit. Rarely can we really
"make a difference," a truly meaningful difference, to anyone but our immediate loved ones. And to be sure, very few of us are going to
create FTL drives

As such, their attempt to humanize Cochrane
was...ham-fisted. Yes, that's what I wanted to say.
Still, ham-fisted doesn't correlate to "terrible." It was maybe a little
over the top, but not *that* bad. For an over-the-top character one
might look to the clumsiness of Jar Jar Binks instead
The way the charcter was written was unbelieveable and total unrealistic even for them. Another Flaw was the setting of post-WWII, it's poorly explained and kinda pointless to have it the way they did it if they are not gonna explain it adequetely, plus I straight up didn't like it. The whole Faction thing was pretty stupid IMO. Third, I didn't like how they ruined the Time travel story with Riker and Geordi Going up with Cochran instead of Lily (wasn't she supposed to have gone up with him), as a huge fan of well written Time Travel stories that kind of insulted me, and it breaks the Temporal Prime Directive.
It might've, but at that point, the only really relevant thing was that
the Vulcans detected warp-capable humans. Who was on the craft
itself was pretty insignificant.
The factions? I only heard a blurb or two about those, so I can't really
comment...you're an intelligent person, so I have to put some stock
in your impression of such. However, I'm ever the quasi-skeptic
(a *true* skeptic totally denies the nature of reality, for the philosophers
among us), so what about the factions did you think was particularly
fanciful?
I have Improvements to the movie, (which I'llpost later) but what do you think would have made this movie be close to being as good as TWOK or TUC (which do have it's flaws).
BTW, FC is far Superior to Generations, and Insurrection, just so you don't think that based on my post that I think it's the worst Trek movie.
Oh, no...you made that quite clear. When you said you enjoyed the film,
I KNEW you weren't going on a single-minded TNG film-bashing rampage
I would certainly love to hear your improvements for the movie. I,
for one, would've spent more time with the space combat. The FX
in the battle itself were great, but they lasted what...two minutes?
A Borg cube is a fucking JUGGERNAUT compared to small Federation
fleets. It's apparent that quite a lot of fighting went on offscreen.
That in itself could've been explored; i.e., Picard's guilt and hatred
of the Borg, given that HIS ship was sent far away from the battle
(even though it's a powerful ship, probably more potent in combat
than any
Galaxy). It was far too brief.
Cochrane's drinking could've been explored. Few alcoholics drink
for no reason at all, though oftentimes their motivations are heavily
based in depressive, even psychotic/self-destructive behavior. Why
was he depressed, then? WWIII?
The Borg could've been fleshed out a bit, too, though I respectfully
disagree with the illustrious Mr. Ossus in that I rather liked the Borg
Queen. Not only was she sorta sexy in a kinky way (and yes, guys,
I'm a Warsie/Trekkie who's gotten laid, LOL), I found the concept
of a "Queen" not *too* detestable. I did like the Borg as they were
circa "Q Who?" better, though.