Haitian revolt gaining momentum

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-02-23 01:08pm

Rebels claim they will capture the capital in 15 days. US Marines arrive to re-enfore the embassy, but the US blames Aristide and says it will not get involved in supressing the revolt.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-23 01:11pm

What is the rebel's position towards the U.S.? Are they likely to attack the Embassy?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2004-02-23 01:33pm

Rogue 9 wrote:What is the rebel's position towards the U.S.? Are they likely to attack the Embassy?

i'd say not likely. The US government has publicly blamed the incompetence and corruption of the Aristeide government for the uprising. The Marines are most likely protection against looters and securing safe passage for the foreigners (mostly American, Canadian and French) in Haiti.

Oddysseus · Post by **Oddysseus** » 2004-02-23 01:39pm

Have they expressed an clear manifesto? All I've heard so far that they are sick of the current Haitian president, and want to force a change of government.

Of course, we put him in power. But seeing as we have officially decided to stay out of it, perhaps they are going to respect that standing. Besides, once, and if, they remove Aristide, they will probably try to seek validation and support from the US and UN.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-02-23 02:06pm

Admittedly, though, we didn't do alot of research into his policies, etc. before helping re-install him. all we cared about was that he was "Democratically" Elected, whatever that entails. As I understand it (According to NPR and on-scene reports) Is that he's a grade A buttwipe.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-02-23 03:07pm

Rogue 9 wrote:What is the rebel's position towards the U.S.? Are they likely to attack the Embassy?

They don't really have the numbers or resources to do so even if they were so inclined (they aren't). The funny thing is that this rebellion is being led by a relative handful of dissidents, but since Haiti has no standing army or national guard and the police aren't interested in fighting a war, these few rebels have been making unheard of strides considering their tiny numbers.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-23 05:00pm

You mean this insurrection is too small to overwhelm an embassy garrison?

That's not much of a rebel army.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-02-23 06:23pm

Well, the rebels probably know that if they fire on US Marines they're fucked six ways to Sunday.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-23 06:30pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Well, the rebels probably know that if they fire on US Marines they're fucked six ways to Sunday.

Yeah. I know. They'd be ass raped in thirty seconds.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-02-23 06:52pm

Good for them, lets hope the next Hatian Government actually does something to improve the standard of living of the average Hatian.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2004-02-23 07:35pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:Good for them, lets hope the next Hatian Government actually does something to improve the standard of living of the average Hatian.

I'm certainly joining you in hoping for that, but I wouldnt' count on it.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2004-02-23 07:57pm

Here's a blog by someone in Haiti. "The conflict is incredibly complex. The rebels for the most part, are baddies. In my opinion, Aristide and his regime are also baddies."

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-23 11:34pm

That doesn't sound complex, both sides are shit heads. Not suprising for a third world civil war. And of course the product of another useless intervention.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-23 11:35pm

So now the question is do we intervene again, or just let Haiti go to hell?

StimNeuro · Post by **StimNeuro** » 2004-02-23 11:38pm

Rogue 9 wrote:So now the question is do we intervene again, or just let Haiti go to hell?

I believe that has already been decided. Read first post.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2004-02-23 11:41pm

Rogue 9 wrote:So now the question is do we intervene again, or just let Haiti go to hell?

Maybe we should just invade and turn it into a US territory, an island paradise like Porto Rico

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-02-23 11:46pm

Rogue 9 wrote:So now the question is do we intervene again, or just let Haiti go to hell?

It's funny how you speak of Haiti going to hell as if it's something that hasn't already happened yet.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-23 11:48pm

All right, fine. Rephrase: Do we intervene again or let Haiti descend to the seventh circle of Hell from the second or wherever it is now.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-23 11:48pm

StimNeuro wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:So now the question is do we intervene again, or just let Haiti go to hell?
I believe that has already been decided. Read first post.

Actually, all we've doing is making sure they don't loot our shit.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-23 11:49pm

Rogue 9 wrote:All right, fine. Rephrase: Do we intervene again or let Haiti descend to the seventh circle of Hell from the second or wherever it is now.

Unless they're willing to become our colony, fuck 'em. We've saved their ass once already and they fucked it up.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-02-24 12:06am

Stormbringer wrote: Unless they're willing to become our colony, fuck 'em. We've saved their ass once already and they fucked it up.

We've saved them more then once and they where effectively a colony for a time, US Marines occupied Haiti from 1915 to 1934 following political chaos and violence. They where only withdrawn with Roosevelt came up with his good neighbor policy, which likely did far more harm then good to this shithole.

Oddysseus · Post by **Oddysseus** » 2004-02-24 12:14am

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:So now the question is do we intervene again, or just let Haiti go to hell?
Maybe we should just invade and turn it into a US territory, an island paradise like Porto Rico

Well, remember. Haiti is only half of the island. And the use has an odd thing about not going halfway.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-24 12:24am

I don't think we'd overrun the Dominican Republic just because they happened to be nearby.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-24 12:31am

Rogue 9 wrote:I don't think we'd overrun the Dominican Republic just because they happened to be nearby.

Why not? We'll probably have to bail their ass out some time soon anyway.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-24 12:37am

Stormbringer wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:I don't think we'd overrun the Dominican Republic just because they happened to be nearby.
Why not? We'll probably have to bail their ass out some time soon anyway.

The rest of the world would go apeshit, for starters. Something, however small, needs to happen before anybody will put up with any use of force.