Bin Laden Top for U.S. Pay-Per-View Execution?

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-02-24 02:13pm

Whether you're for or against his execution, the fact stands that if he was ever captured he would be killed. There would be such an overwhelming demand to give him the chop it would be political suicide not to. I think it would would be so strong they wouldn't be able to get any decent information out of him. His trial and subsequent execution would be too swift for any real interrogation.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-02-24 02:15pm

Xenophobe3691 wrote:
Durandal wrote:Bingo. I'd watch his execution. Hell, I'd probably get together with some friends and throw a party. The only reservation I'd have is that it makes him into a martyr for the Islamic terrorist world, but then again, what won't make him into a martyr to those crazy fucks?
Make his hanging rope out of pig intestines, dump him in lard, make his last meal a shit ton of force fed Cuban Sandwiches and New England Clam Chowder, make lard filled water balloons a free attraction to throw at him, and bury him in Pigskin?

Hang on now, we play football with pigskin remember?

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I'd rather have him rot for the rest of his life. No execution can rival the rest of your life in humiliation as you personally get visited by those who suffered the misfortune of being in such terror attacks. He can take that to the grave with him.

You're sorely mistaken if you think being personally confronted by the family members of the people he's killed is going to haunt him with guilt. The guy's a fanatic. He'd probably use the opportunity to gloat about the glory of Allah or some bullshit like that. He does not presently, nor will he ever, feel any twang of guilt for what he's done.

The only thing left to do is kill the motherfucker.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-24 02:20pm

But if we kill him we make a martyr. Remember Pontius Pilate, Judea, and a certain carpenter from Galilee? Well imagine the chaos that would have been caused if that carpenter had been a psychotic mass murderer and had inspired that many people. You run the risk of creating a gigantic sect of Islam (I don't think it would cause a whole new religion) dedicated to the destruction of the West. Even more and larger than they are now. Martyrdom is very effective.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-02-24 02:29pm

I want him humiliated for the rest of his life, the frequent visits from those that want to see that bastard are a bonus. I don't see how killing him and getting it over with will help anyone. After that you have nothing. No, I'd rather see someone like that have to endure the agony of living in a shit cell barely large enough to move around in.

He'll beg for death. I somehow doubt we'd give it to him, much like thos Nazis on fire in the opening battle of Saving Private Ryan.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-02-24 04:17pm

Rogue 9 wrote:But if we kill him we make a martyr. Remember Pontius Pilate, Judea, and a certain carpenter from Galilee? Well imagine the chaos that would have been caused if that carpenter had been a psychotic mass murderer and had inspired that many people. You run the risk of creating a gigantic sect of Islam (I don't think it would cause a whole new religion) dedicated to the destruction of the West. Even more and larger than they are now. Martyrdom is very effective.

Quite frankely there will be negitive aspects, no matter what happens, either his execution or his life long imprisonment.

If he is imprisoned, you will automatically give hope to the fundie fuckers that they can save OBL. How much added security will we have to add to the particular prison where OBL is imprisoned to prevent prison breaks?

Wtih OBL alive in a US prison, how many hijacks will happen with the demands of releasing him?

On the other hand, if we execute him he will become a martyr. But I do beilieve that if we make a statement out of OBL we will still have some who glory in his martyrdom but if we make it a strong statement (boardering on cruel) alot of people will distance themselves from OBL.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-02-24 04:22pm

Chardok wrote:
phongn wrote:I'm pretty sure the Geneva Conventions do not apply to bin Laden.
Let's roll(On two!) (Cookie for the reference) then blood red letters across the screen: Next.

Last words heard of the guy who led the resistance on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. Sadly that event is too often forgotten, and those were some truly brave people.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2004-02-24 04:41pm

Actually I meant the "on two" reference (Green Mile) I thought the Let's roll would be rememebred forever and be a given. Have people forgotten already? Truly sad. I can't wait until we catch that slimy bastard.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-02-24 04:54pm

Chardok wrote:Actually I meant the "on two" reference (Green Mile) I thought the Let's roll would be rememebred forever and be a given. Have people forgotten already? Truly sad. I can't wait until we catch that slimy bastard.

Shit, but do I need to watch that great film again.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-02-24 05:00pm

Rogue 9 wrote:But if we kill him we make a martyr. Remember Pontius Pilate, Judea, and a certain carpenter from Galilee? Well imagine the chaos that would have been caused if that carpenter had been a psychotic mass murderer and had inspired that many people. You run the risk of creating a gigantic sect of Islam (I don't think it would cause a whole new religion) dedicated to the destruction of the West. Even more and larger than they are now. Martyrdom is very effective.

Frankly, anything we do with him will create problems. If we hold him for life in a prison, terrorists will try and get him freed by threatening the lives of innocent civilians. If we kill him, he becomes a martyr. I'd prefer the latter.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-02-24 05:07pm

Chardok wrote:Actually I meant the "on two" reference (Green Mile) I thought the Let's roll would be rememebred forever and be a given. Have people forgotten already? Truly sad. I can't wait until we catch that slimy bastard.

Not necessarily forgotten, just overlooked by the monstrosity and savageness of what occured in NYC and DC.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2004-02-24 06:43pm

You know, the old saying: "Hanging's too good for him?" I think it applies here. Death is too lenient IMO.

I prefer breaking and humiliation.

Display him bound, gagged, and blindfolded before the world, then stick him in the deepest hole we can find.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-24 06:47pm

SAMAS wrote:You know, the old saying: "Hanging's too good for him?" I think it applies here. Death is too lenient IMO.

I prefer breaking and humiliation.

Display him bound, gagged, and blindfolded before the world, then stick him in the deepest hole we can find.

*Ahem*

U.S. Constitution, Amendment VIII wrote:Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

You were saying?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-02-24 06:47pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Executions should not be public entertainment. I don't care who it is.
Care to justify your opinion with the reasoning behind it?
Its barbaric. Death should not be a public spectacle.

Executions are barbaric in the first place...

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-24 06:56pm

Dahak wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
BlkbrryTheGreat wrote: Care to justify your opinion with the reasoning behind it?
Its barbaric. Death should not be a public spectacle.
Executions are barbaric in the first place...

*Snort* Sure, tell that to bin Laden. I object to making a martyr, but the man deserves to die. Justice would not be served by allowing him to live if there is a way to execute him in a manner that would not rile the Islamic world to mass violence.

The Third Man · Post by **The Third Man** » 2004-02-24 07:50pm

Rogue 9 wrote: if there is a way to execute him in a manner that would not rile the Islamic world to mass violence.

Getting someone else to do your dirty work springs to mind as the solution. eg find (or manufacture) someone in, say, Saudi who's prepared to find OBL guilty of a crime punishable by death, and hand him over for trial.

Moral issues aside, something as "barbaric" as a televised execution by the US would have effects beyond galvanising Islamic fundamentalists; it would cause yet more damage to public opinion of the US in allied and currently ambivalent nations.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-24 10:16pm

How can anyone argue that Osama bin Laden does not need to be alive any longer?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-24 10:17pm

"does need"* not "does not need"

Dammit.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2004-02-25 12:09am

Rogue 9 wrote:But if we kill him we make a martyr. Remember Pontius Pilate, Judea, and a certain carpenter from Galilee? Well imagine the chaos that would have been caused if that carpenter had been a psychotic mass murderer and had inspired that many people. You run the risk of creating a gigantic sect of Islam (I don't think it would cause a whole new religion) dedicated to the destruction of the West. Even more and larger than they are now. Martyrdom is very effective.

Most of the great martyrs in history have been pacifists, seen as unjustly brought down by those who had no real justification. If a person is killed by the people he attacked that isn't the makings of Martyrdom, and many of his followers will conclude that his capture was proof of God's displeasure, anyways.

Symmetry · Post by **Symmetry** » 2004-02-25 12:25am

Gil Hamilton wrote:
evilcat4000 wrote:It is also against the Geneva convention.
That's tricky. I think the Geneva Convention prohibition is for actual prisoners of war. I'm sure that it would be argued that this state doesn't apply to him.

"For the cheese" (my rough Spanish to English translation of Al-Queda) also isn't a signitory of the Geneva conventions, so we're not strictly obligated to follow it unless Al Queda members have some sort of other military affiliation. And he probably won't be captured in a war.

This isn't to say that obaying them regardless like we normally do isn't often the best policiy, just that exceptions can easily be made if neccesary.