Bush Pushes for Gay Marriage Amendment

[Alyrium Denryle]

Apparently, "sacred" in Bush-ese means "keep the goddamned gays out of it".

Tell me, does this mean he would prefer that gays be sexually promiscuous and run around half-naked in the street? He apparently doesn't want gays to act like heterosexuals since that would trample on some kind of "sacred" institution, so what does he want them to do?

Apparently he believes states should be free to develop legal arrangements for homosexuals, whatever the hell that means.

"Legal arrangements" probably means something like "Choose to incarcerate them or 'rehabilitate' them, depending on the liberalness of your state." And it's only because he loves them SOOO much and doesn't want them going to hell.

So when's he officially coming after atheists?

Well if his father is any indication, after his reelection he is planning on stripping us of citizenship and putting us in cattle cars

[Mayabird]

Why do you think I would almost advocate a bitschlapping and crucification machine... A giant robotic mechanism that brings stupid people up on a converyer belt, bitchslapps them, then uses 3 pneumatic nailuns to pin them to the Great wall of China by their wrists and feet... it can even alternate them alng the wall heads facing up, or down to maximize the number you can fit on the wall... like a can of sardines(Idea goes to Russell Davis... I cant take credit for it)

*slap slap KACHUNK*

I prefer to smite the stupid and clueless with the 2x4 of Blatant Obviousness, myself. A little less messy and a lot more metaphorical blunt force trauma.

[Alyrium Denryle]

I just like the mental image of a masive machin moving along the Great Wall... that and it is great for an inside jooke when someone is being a moron. Look your riend in the eye, and both say "Kachunk" while making the hand motion of pulling a lever.

[Durandal]

This is the part where Durandal turns into Galvatron and says "I hold that which you most fear!" And then the rumbling starts ...

Yeah, I may fail, but you get destroyed at the end.

As for Bush, I saw on the news that he claimed that every religious institution in existence prohibited gay marriage. I find this extremely difficult to believe, but I can't think of any institutions which actually allow for it off the top of my head.

Did anyone else see The Daily Show a couple nights ago? Stephen Colbert was on as the "Senior Moral Authority" and managed to portray the anti-gay marriage movement rather nicely.

COLBERT: Jon, the only reason my wife and I got married was because homosexuals couldn't do it. Our entire wedding was conceived as a vicious taunt to gays. Now the vows I took on my wedding day seem even hollower.
STEWART: But Stephen, if we're going to protect the institution of marriage, wouldn't it make sense to also pass anti-adultery laws in addition to anti-gay marriage laws?
COLBERT: Woah there, Comrade! Get your jack boot out of my bedroom ... or one of many bedrooms which I may or may not be in.

[Oddysseus]

This is the part where Durandal turns into Galvatron and says "I hold that which you most fear!" And then the rumbling starts ...

Yeah, I may fail, but you get destroyed at the end.

As for Bush, I saw on the news that he claimed that every religious institution in existence prohibited gay marriage. I find this extremely difficult to believe, but I can't think of any institutions which actually allow for it off the top of my head.

Did anyone else see The Daily Show a couple nights ago? Stephen Colbert was on as the "Senior Moral Authority" and managed to portray the anti-gay marriage movement rather nicely.

COLBERT: Jon, the only reason my wife and I got married was because homosexuals couldn't do it. Our entire wedding was conceived as a vicious taunt to gays. Now the vows I took on my wedding day seem even hollower.
STEWART: But Stephen, if we're going to protect the institution of marriage, wouldn't it make sense to also pass anti-adultery laws in addition to anti-gay marriage laws?
COLBERT: Woah there, Comrade! Get your jack boot out of my bedroom ... or one of many bedrooms which I may or may not be in.

I love that show. Colbert is so great at playing devil's advocate, dismantling his own sides basein a minute or less. Comic geniuses all.

[neoolong]

This is the part where Durandal turns into Galvatron and says "I hold that which you most fear!" And then the rumbling starts ...

Yeah, I may fail, but you get destroyed at the end.

As for Bush, I saw on the news that he claimed that every religious institution in existence prohibited gay marriage. I find this extremely difficult to believe, but I can't think of any institutions which actually allow for it off the top of my head.

Some Jewish institutions have it.

So do some Christians if I remember right.

Historically, I think there were some, I just can't remember anyone.

Not that that's a particularly good excuse anyways.

[Oddysseus]

This is the part where Durandal turns into Galvatron and says "I hold that which you most fear!" And then the rumbling starts ...

Yeah, I may fail, but you get destroyed at the end.

As for Bush, I saw on the news that he claimed that every religious institution in existence prohibited gay marriage. I find this extremely difficult to believe, but I can't think of any institutions which actually allow for it off the top of my head.

Some Jewish institutions have it.

So do some Christians if I remember right.

Historically, I think there were some, I just can't remember anyone.

Not that that's a particularly good excuse anyways.

Yeah somehow basing policy on the intolerance and narowminded ways of the past seems...dumb. Gee, should we make a list of other things he should support then?

[Rye]

As for Bush, I saw on the news that he claimed that every religious institution in existence prohibited gay marriage. I find this extremely difficult to believe, but I can't think of any institutions which actually allow for it off the top of my head.

Well, here are some, so that you may copy them to your own almighty text document and/or website.

Same-sex marriage has been documented in many societies that were not subject to Christian influence. In North American, among the Native American societies, it has taken the form of two-spirit-type relationships, in which some members of the tribe elect to take on female gender with all its responsibilities. They are prized as wives by the other men in the tribe, who enter into formal marriages with these two-spirit men.

In China, especially in the southern province of Fujian where male love was especially cultivated, men would marry youths in elaborate ceremonies. The marriages would last a number of years, at the end of which the elder partner would help the younger find a (female) wife and settle down to raise a family.

In Africa, among the Azande of the Congo, men would marry youths for whom they had to pay a bride-price to the father. These marriages likewise were understood to be of a temporary nature.

Finally, in Europe during Hellenic times, the relationships between Greek men and youths who had come of age were analogous to marriage in several aspects. The age of the youth was similar to the age at which women married (the mid-teens), and the relationship could only be undertaken with the consent of the father. This consent, just as in the case of a daughter's marriage, was contingent on the suitor's social standing. The relationship, just like a marriage, consisted of very specific social and religious responsibilities, and also had an erotic component.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage

[Mayabird]

This is the part where Durandal turns into Galvatron and says "I hold that which you most fear!" And then the rumbling starts ...

Yeah, I may fail, but you get destroyed at the end.

As for Bush, I saw on the news that he claimed that every religious institution in existence prohibited gay marriage. I find this extremely difficult to believe, but I can't think of any institutions which actually allow for it off the top of my head.

Some Jewish institutions have it.

So do some Christians if I remember right.

Historically, I think there were some, I just can't remember anyone.

Not that that's a particularly good excuse anyways.

When he says "every religious institution in existance" he means only means "the ones that count" meaning his interpretations of Christianity and the other monotheisms that he must allow to exist so that Israel can fulfill its prophesies of the End Times and Saudi Arabia will keep selling us their oil. Everybody else's opinion (liberal Christians, atheists, Buddhists, etc.) is invalid, telling from the way Shrubby acts.

And Oddysseus, don't you know, he's just trying to emulate the Good Ol' Days when everybody was happy and in their place, on their knees prayin' or scrubbin' the floor and there wasn't any sex or drugs or violence.

[Nathan F]

I really don't know about that. I think it's quite possible that sort of big-government support is centered in a few areas with a very vocal minority. I know this is fallacious, but from my personal experience, most conservatives seem to be fairly libertarian as well.

The poll results say otherwise. Most conservatives apparently want the government to stay out of their own lives, but they have no problem with the government sticking its nose into the lives of people who are sufficiently different from themselves.

It's an irony. They want us out of their gunracks, churches, and rumpus rooms. But if they even have to imagine a world where diversity and ideas other than theirs are so much as discussed, or allowed...THEY MUST BE STOPPED.

Their world:

Everyone can have an AK-47, but if you buy an American flag, don't do anything to it except fly it high. They can marry and divorce so often they get a discount, but if any gay couple ever considers themselves a real family...Legislators can boff their 18 year old intern, but other people shouldn't have premarital sex. Legislators can boff their 18 year old intern, but it is the gay people who are immoral and indecent. They can screw the economy, but gays can't do the same to each other.

And that is any worse than the liberals who shout down conservative speakers in schools, even though the conservative/liberal speaker ratio is massively in favor of the liberal side of the issue? The farther of both sides do it, not just conservatives, and not just liberals. As for legislators 'boffing' their 18 year old intern, I'm guessing you missed the whole Clinton Monica scandal.

[SirNitram]

And that is any worse than the liberals who shout down conservative speakers in schools, even though the conservative/liberal speaker ratio is massively in favor of the liberal side of the issue? The farther of both sides do it, not just conservatives, and not just liberals. As for legislators 'boffing' their 18 year old intern, I'm guessing you missed the whole Clinton Monica scandal.

Are you aware that 'Uhhh... Uhhhh.... THEY DO IT TOO NYAH' is not a very effective argument?

[Iceberg]

And that is any worse than the liberals who shout down conservative speakers in schools, even though the conservative/liberal speaker ratio is massively in favor of the liberal side of the issue? The farther of both sides do it, not just conservatives, and not just liberals. As for legislators 'boffing' their 18 year old intern, I'm guessing you missed the whole Clinton Monica scandal.

The point is not boffing the intern. The point is doing it AND THEN TURNING AROUND AND CONDEMNING OTHER PEOPLE FOR DOING THE SAME FUCKING THING.

[Darth Wong]

And that is any worse than the liberals who shout down conservative speakers in schools

Nice "Tu Quoque" fallacy, asshole. And while we're on the subject, it IS worse, because they're trying to have the fucking constitution amended to make it law, not just heckling. You're so full of shit I'm surprised the pressure buildup hasn't blown the top of your head off.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Everyone can have an AK-47, but if you buy an American flag, don't do anything to it except fly it high. They can marry and divorce so often they get a discount, but if any gay couple ever considers themselves a real family...Legislators can boff their 18 year old intern, but other people shouldn't have premarital sex. Legislators can boff their 18 year old intern, but it is the gay people who are immoral and indecent. They can screw the economy, but gays can't do the same to each other.

And that is any worse than the liberals who shout down conservative speakers in schools,

Yes actually, making gay marriage illegal and then putting it in a constitution is worse then shouting at speakers.

[Alyrium Denryle]

And that is any worse than the liberals who shout down conservative speakers in schools

Lets see... lets to a bit of an analysis shall we?

Shouting at speakers- embarasss the speaker and makes the audience have to strain their ears to hear.

Amending the constitution to put an end to the progression of equal rights for gay people... wait... oh yeah that's right, you are making people second class citizens.

I have to conclude that shouting at a speaker is so much worse

[Illuminatus Primus]

And that is any worse than the liberals who shout down conservative speakers in schools, even though the conservative/liberal speaker ratio is massively in favor of the liberal side of the issue? The farther of both sides do it, not just conservatives, and not just liberals. As for legislators 'boffing' their 18 year old intern, I'm guessing you missed the whole Clinton Monica scandal.

This is sad. Nitram's right. Is your default response to ANY criticism of conservatism to bitch about the left? Can't you do any better than Monica?

Come on...bring up the National Socialist party...I can feel you hatred growing...use it.

[Andrew J.]

COLBERT: Jon, the only reason my wife and I got married was because homosexuals couldn't do it. Our entire wedding was conceived as a vicious taunt to gays. Now the vows I took on my wedding day seem even hollower.

The actual last line was "...as hollow as the vows I took with my first three wives."

[Iceberg]

The poll results say otherwise. Most conservatives apparently want the government to stay out of their own lives, but they have no problem with the government sticking its nose into the lives of people who are sufficiently different from themselves.

It's an irony. They want us out of their gunracks, churches, and rumpus rooms. But if they even have to imagine a world where diversity and ideas other than theirs are so much as discussed, or allowed...THEY MUST BE STOPPED.

Their world:

Everyone can have an AK-47, but if you buy an American flag, don't do anything to it except fly it high. They can marry and divorce so often they get a discount, but if any gay couple ever considers themselves a real family...Legislators can boff their 18 year old intern, but other people shouldn't have premarital sex. Legislators can boff their 18 year old intern, but it is the gay people who are immoral and indecent. They can screw the economy, but gays can't do the same to each other.

And that is any worse than the liberals who shout down conservative speakers in schools, even though the conservative/liberal speaker ratio is massively in favor of the liberal side of the issue?

I believe somebody mentioned that this is perfectly allowable a few weeks ago when we were discussing a heckler interrupting one of Howard Dean's speeches... I believe the phrase used was "the heckler's veto" or something along that line.

Sauce for the goose, buddy.