The Passion: A Real Knock 'Em Dead film

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-25 11:52pm

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-02-25 11:54pm

Poor woman...

As for the movie...who knows.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-02-25 11:58pm

Had this film be about anything else than the life of Jesus, you'd have fundies and soccer moms all over it trying to ban it and perhaps accusing the director of murder. Just like if its anywhere outside the Bible its called porn, but if its in the little black book it the Word of God (TM).

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

AnimeJet · Post by **AnimeJet** » 2004-02-26 12:01am

Yup, saw it on yahoo too.. roffled my waffle.

Oddysseus · Post by **Oddysseus** » 2004-02-26 05:42am

Yeah. Tell them about a movie being released that tells about the long and prolonged brutual and extremely graphic torture of man. ANd that the film is topped off with a horrific lingering death where bystanders stare in horror at the visage of gore and suffering. They'll boycott, picket, and decry it as immoral. Tell them it's about Christ, and they line up to see and praise it, bringing their children so they can be scarred...I mean, so they can experience it.

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2004-02-26 04:38pm

that movie was the greatest. I liked the part with jesus in it

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-02-26 04:56pm

Oddysseus wrote:Yeah. Tell them about a movie being released that tells about the long and prolonged brutual and extremely graphic torture of man. ANd that the film is topped off with a horrific lingering death where bystanders stare in horror at the visage of gore and suffering. They'll boycott, picket, and decry it as immoral. Tell them it's about Christ, and they line up to see and praise it, bringing their children so they can be scarred...I mean, so they can experience it.

I can't tell, is this irony or hypocrisy?

People complain about GTA, yet are perfectly willing to take their kids to this movie because it's about Jesus.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-26 05:54pm

Andrew Sullivan, a Catholic, on the film's graphic violence:

At the same time, the movie was to me deeply disturbing. In a word, it is pornography. By pornography, I mean the reduction of all human thought and feeling and personhood to mere flesh. The center-piece of the movie is an absolutely disgusting and despicable piece of sadism that has no real basis in any of the Gospels. It shows a man being flayed alive - slowly, methodically and with increasing savagery. We first of all witness the use of sticks, then whips, then multiple whips with barbed glass or metal. We see flesh being torn out of a man's body. Just so that we can appreciate the pain, we see the whip first tear chunks out of a wooden table. Then we see pieces of human skin flying through the air. We see Jesus come back for more. We see blood spattering on the torturers' faces. We see muscled thugs exhausted from shredding every inch of this man's body. And then they turn him over and do it all again. It goes on for ever. And then we see his mother wiping up masses and masses of blood. It is an absolutely unforgivable, vile, disgusting scene. No human being could sruvive it. Yet for Gibson, it is the h'ors d'oeuvre for his porn movie. The whole movie is some kind of sick combination of the theology of Opus Dei and the film-making of Quentin Tarantino. There is nothing in the Gospels that indicates this level of extreme, endless savagery and there is no theological reason for it. It doesn't even evoke emotion in the audience. It is designed to prompt the crudest human pity and emotional blackmail - which it obviously does. But then it seems to me designed to evoke a sick kind of fascination. Of over two hours, about half the movie is simple wordless sadism on a level and with a relentlessness that I have never witnessed in a movie before. And you have to ask yourself: why? The suffering of Christ is bad and gruesome enough without exaggerating it to this insane degree. Theologically, the point is not that Jesus suffered more than any human being ever has on a physical level. It is that his suffering was profound and voluntary and the culmination of a life and a teaching that Gibson essentially omits. One more example. Toward the end, unsatisfied with showing a man flayed alive, nailed gruesomely to a cross, one eye shut from being smashed in, blood covering his entire body, Gibson has a large crow perch on the neighboring cross and peck another man's eyes out. Why? Because the porn needed yet another money shot.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2004-02-26 06:03pm

Joe wrote:Andrew Sullivan, a Catholic, on the film's graphic violence:

At the same time, the movie was to me deeply disturbing. In a word, it is pornography. By pornography, I mean the reduction of all human thought and feeling and personhood to mere flesh. The center-piece of the movie is an absolutely disgusting and despicable piece of sadism that has no real basis in any of the Gospels. It shows a man being flayed alive - slowly, methodically and with increasing savagery. We first of all witness the use of sticks, then whips, then multiple whips with barbed glass or metal. We see flesh being torn out of a man's body. Just so that we can appreciate the pain, we see the whip first tear chunks out of a wooden table. Then we see pieces of human skin flying through the air. We see Jesus come back for more. We see blood spattering on the torturers' faces. We see muscled thugs exhausted from shredding every inch of this man's body. And then they turn him over and do it all again. It goes on for ever. And then we see his mother wiping up masses and masses of blood. It is an absolutely unforgivable, vile, disgusting scene. No human being could sruvive it. Yet for Gibson, it is the h'ors d'oeuvre for his porn movie. The whole movie is some kind of sick combination of the theology of Opus Dei and the film-making of Quentin Tarantino. There is nothing in the Gospels that indicates this level of extreme, endless savagery and there is no theological reason for it. It doesn't even evoke emotion in the audience. It is designed to prompt the crudest human pity and emotional blackmail - which it obviously does. But then it seems to me designed to evoke a sick kind of fascination. Of over two hours, about half the movie is simple wordless sadism on a level and with a relentlessness that I have never witnessed in a movie before. And you have to ask yourself: why? The suffering of Christ is bad and gruesome enough without exaggerating it to this insane degree. Theologically, the point is not that Jesus suffered more than any human being ever has on a physical level. It is that his suffering was profound and voluntary and the culmination of a life and a teaching that Gibson essentially omits. One more example. Toward the end, unsatisfied with showing a man flayed alive, nailed gruesomely to a cross, one eye shut from being smashed in, blood covering his entire body, Gibson has a large crow perch on the neighboring cross and peck another man's eyes out. Why? Because the porn needed yet another money shot.

And with that I have decided that I would rather stick my dick in an electrical socket than see that movie.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2004-02-26 06:04pm

Oddysseus wrote:Yeah. Tell them about a movie being released that tells about the long and prolonged brutual and extremely graphic torture of man. ANd that the film is topped off with a horrific lingering death where bystanders stare in horror at the visage of gore and suffering. They'll boycott, picket, and decry it as immoral. Tell them it's about Christ, and they line up to see and praise it, bringing their children so they can be scarred...I mean, so they can experience it.

#Always look on the bright side of life...#

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2004-02-26 06:15pm

Satan is obviously at work here.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-02-26 06:20pm

eh. it doesn't sound much gorier than master and commander was. . . . .nothing like an open skull operation where you see a quarter get put in a patient's head or an actual amputation using a bone saw all without anesthesia.

CRUCIBLE · Post by **CRUCIBLE** » 2004-02-26 06:22pm

"At the same time, the movie was to me deeply disturbing. In a word, it is pornography. By pornography, I mean the reduction of all human thought and feeling and personhood to mere flesh."

Hmm.. reckon how he is forcing the "porn" into this movie? Just to have a widespred know/damned word he can use to describe the movie...

I agree with Oddysseus. Its like the Crusades. As long as it is in the name of God/Christ/Holy Cause, its perfectly fine to kill, rape and raze.

Btw. just because it wasnt in the Bible (the torturing in detail) doesnt mean that it couldnt have happened, indeed i wonder if it NOT had happened at all.

P.S. I am a atheist

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-02-26 06:27pm

considering things were considerably more voilent back then, and punishments such as getting your hand cut off if you got caught stealing existed, i'd be surprised if a crucifiction wasn't completely bloody and gory.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2004-02-26 06:29pm

Darth_Zod wrote:considering things were considerably more voilent back then, and punishments such as getting your hand cut off if you got caught stealing existed, i'd be surprised if a crucifiction wasn't completely bloody and gory.

Don't punishments of getting your hand lopped off if your caught stealing still exist in some countries?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-02-26 06:34pm

no idea. i wouldn't be at all surprised in some of the 3rd world countries. *shrug*

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2004-02-26 06:46pm

Darth_Zod wrote:no idea. i wouldn't be at all surprised in some of the 3rd world countries. *shrug*

Yes they do, NK even still has a heredity punishment law.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-02-26 06:58pm

2000AD wrote:
Darth_Zod wrote:considering things were considerably more voilent back then, and punishments such as getting your hand cut off if you got caught stealing existed, i'd be surprised if a crucifiction wasn't completely bloody and gory.
Don't punishments of getting your hand lopped off if your caught stealing still exist in some countries?

Saudi Arabia has that, IIRC.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-02-26 06:59pm

I have a morbid fascination with torture techniques(dont ask why, I couldnt tell you) and I like to criticize films for accuracy The simple matter is, that is how the romans did things. If you are going to do a movie about the torment of Jesus, get it right.

That said, I will see it, so I can make sure they DID get it right, and to hear spoken latin.

P.S. I am a atheist

As are the majority on this board, myself included.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-02-26 07:53pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:I have a morbid fascination with torture techniques(dont ask why, I couldnt tell you) and I like to criticize films for accuracy The simple matter is, that is how the romans did things. If you are going to do a movie about the torment of Jesus, get it right.

That said, I will see it, so I can make sure they DID get it right, and to hear spoken latin.

P.S. I am a atheist
As are the majority on this board, myself included.

I could've sworn Mike said the majority were Christian the other day.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-02-26 07:56pm

Well, the ones that post often at least...

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-02-26 09:03pm

At the same time, the movie was to me deeply disturbing. In a word, it is pornography. By pornography, I mean the reduction of all human thought and feeling and personhood to mere flesh. The center-piece of the movie is an absolutely disgusting and despicable piece of sadism that has no real basis in any of the Gospels. It shows a man being flayed alive - slowly, methodically and with increasing savagery. We first of all witness the use of sticks, then whips, then multiple whips with barbed glass or metal. We see flesh being torn out of a man's body. Just so that we can appreciate the pain, we see the whip first tear chunks out of a wooden table. Then we see pieces of human skin flying through the air. We see Jesus come back for more. We see blood spattering on the torturers' faces. We see muscled thugs exhausted from shredding every inch of this man's body. And then they turn him over and do it all again. It goes on for ever. And then we see his mother wiping up masses and masses of blood. It is an absolutely unforgivable, vile, disgusting scene. No human being could sruvive it. Yet for Gibson, it is the h'ors d'oeuvre for his porn movie. The whole movie is some kind of sick combination of the theology of Opus Dei and the film-making of Quentin Tarantino. There is nothing in the Gospels that indicates this level of extreme, endless savagery and there is no theological reason for it. It doesn't even evoke emotion in the audience. It is designed to prompt the crudest human pity and emotional blackmail - which it obviously does. But then it seems to me designed to evoke a sick kind of fascination. Of over two hours, about half the movie is simple wordless sadism on a level and with a relentlessness that I have never witnessed in a movie before. And you have to ask yourself: why? The suffering of Christ is bad and gruesome enough without exaggerating it to this insane degree. Theologically, the point is not that Jesus suffered more than any human being ever has on a physical level. It is that his suffering was profound and voluntary and the culmination of a life and a teaching that Gibson essentially omits. One more example. Toward the end, unsatisfied with showing a man flayed alive, nailed gruesomely to a cross, one eye shut from being smashed in, blood covering his entire body, Gibson has a large crow perch on the neighboring cross and peck another man's eyes out. Why? Because the porn needed yet another money shot.

Maybe theres something seriously wrong with me, but I find this kind of torture fascinating. The intricacies, the technique, the sheer pain and brutality. All of it.

Too bad my parents would sooner let me play Manhunt than watch this movie.

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2004-02-26 10:18pm

Joe wrote:Andrew Sullivan, a Catholic, on the film's graphic violence:

At the same time, the movie was to me deeply disturbing. In a word, it is pornography. By pornography, I mean the reduction of all human thought and feeling and personhood to mere flesh. The center-piece of the movie is an absolutely disgusting and despicable piece of sadism that has no real basis in any of the Gospels. It shows a man being flayed alive - slowly, methodically and with increasing savagery. We first of all witness the use of sticks, then whips, then multiple whips with barbed glass or metal. We see flesh being torn out of a man's body. Just so that we can appreciate the pain, we see the whip first tear chunks out of a wooden table. Then we see pieces of human skin flying through the air. We see Jesus come back for more. We see blood spattering on the torturers' faces. We see muscled thugs exhausted from shredding every inch of this man's body. And then they turn him over and do it all again. It goes on for ever. And then we see his mother wiping up masses and masses of blood. It is an absolutely unforgivable, vile, disgusting scene. No human being could sruvive it. Yet for Gibson, it is the h'ors d'oeuvre for his porn movie. The whole movie is some kind of sick combination of the theology of Opus Dei and the film-making of Quentin Tarantino. There is nothing in the Gospels that indicates this level of extreme, endless savagery and there is no theological reason for it. It doesn't even evoke emotion in the audience. It is designed to prompt the crudest human pity and emotional blackmail - which it obviously does. But then it seems to me designed to evoke a sick kind of fascination. Of over two hours, about half the movie is simple wordless sadism on a level and with a relentlessness that I have never witnessed in a movie before. And you have to ask yourself: why? The suffering of Christ is bad and gruesome enough without exaggerating it to this insane degree. Theologically, the point is not that Jesus suffered more than any human being ever has on a physical level. It is that his suffering was profound and voluntary and the culmination of a life and a teaching that Gibson essentially omits. One more example. Toward the end, unsatisfied with showing a man flayed alive, nailed gruesomely to a cross, one eye shut from being smashed in, blood covering his entire body, Gibson has a large crow perch on the neighboring cross and peck another man's eyes out. Why? Because the porn needed yet another money shot.

Well at least this is a Christian who realizes that the movie is trash and missed the point of Christ's story. Also a lot of religious people use the word "pornography" to refer to anything that is saturated is wrongness(aka: The Passion(aka:Waste of fucking film))

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-02-26 10:30pm

YT300000 wrote:Maybe theres something seriously wrong with me, but I find this kind of torture fascinating. The intricacies, the technique, the sheer pain and brutality. All of it.

You're not the only one.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-02-26 10:45pm

Gandalf wrote:
YT300000 wrote:Maybe theres something seriously wrong with me, but I find this kind of torture fascinating. The intricacies, the technique, the sheer pain and brutality. All of it.
You're not the only one.

No he isnt *thinks about how Jesus could possibly be made to survive, when he had no skin*