VANCOUVER—Canada's premiers say the health-care system will begin to self-destruct by the end of the decade without both an overhaul and a cash influx from the federal Liberals.
At the end of the inaugural meeting of the Council of the Federation, the premiers demanded that Prime Minister Paul Martin increase base transfers to the provinces for health care by $2 billion in the March 23 federal budget.
They accuse the federal government of purposely understating the size of the surplus and short-changing the health-care purse year after year.
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty said in an interview that he worries that other initiatives, such as a literacy program, an agreement to break down inter-provincial barriers and plans to work together on emergency preparedness will go unnoticed in the seemingly never-ending health-care fray
I Thought this was the wave of the future.... ????? HMMMMMMMMMM
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:France is a better example of the system working. The UK is okay as it is, it doesn't need more funding, just better management.
the taxes in France are also around 50%
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:France is a better example of the system working. The UK is okay as it is, it doesn't need more funding, just better management.
the taxes in France are also around 50%
Yeah, but look at it this way. After that stroke from receiving your tax form you'll be in the best of hands.
I'm studying for the CPA exam. Have a nice summer, and if you're down just sit back and realize that Joe is off somewhere, doing much worse than you are.
Yeah, but that was mainly pensioners and it was quite a heatwave, IIRC. I'd chalk that off to mismanagement of a bizarre summer, but I still have to wonder what went on.
theski wrote:I Thought this was the wave of the future.... ????? HMMMMMMMMMM
Costs will continue to increase with inflation and an aging population? Egads, the system is broken beyond repair!!!!
In reality, the federal government has been cutting health-care. They just want the funding restored. And even with the increased funding, it will cost less per capita than the American system.
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"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
theski wrote:Hell absolutley Nothing... .. Just pointing out that this seems to be a trend in the Great White North...
Fiscal restraint, you mean? Yes, it's been a big trend lately, ever since deficit reduction became a government mantra in the mid 1990s.
Of course, down in the US you have no problem with that. Thanks to your $500 billion deficit, you can afford all kinds of stuff. Hell, that deficit is bigger than your entire military budget. If we were to duplicate your thinking, we could start building a powerful military by simply financing the entire thing with our childrens' financial future.
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
theski wrote:Hell absolutley Nothing... .. Just pointing out that this seems to be a trend in the Great White North...
Fiscal restraint, you mean? Yes, it's been a big trend lately, ever since deficit reduction became a government mantra in the mid 1990s.
Of course, down in the US you have no problem with that. Thanks to your $500 billion deficit, you can afford all kinds of stuff. Hell, that deficit is bigger than your entire military budget. If we were to duplicate your thinking, we could start building a powerful military by simply financing the entire thing with our childrens' financial future.
"B...b..b...but!! 9/11!!!"
"Right now we can tell you a report was filed by the family of a 12 year old boy yesterday afternoon alleging Mr. Michael Jackson of criminal activity. A search warrant has been filed and that search is currently taking place. Mr. Jackson has not been charged with any crime. We cannot specifically address the content of the police report as it is confidential information at the present time, however, we can confirm that Mr. Jackson forced the boy to listen to the Howard Stern show and watch the movie Private Parts over and over again."
Given there's never been an incident, off the top of my head at least, whereby a nation has collapsed due to a deficit like the US has, I can't see them really stopping that problem anytime soon. To stop it means a strict revision of budgetary regime and maybe more tax or far less spending of imaginary cash. But any party putting that as a mission statement will be laughed out of D.C.
For Canada, I'd rather have a functional healthcare system up and running now than a perfect military. Canada has repeatedly shown that it has superb soldiers when combat beckons and only some notable pieces of equipment need be replaced such as the venerable Sea King "close formation of 10,000 parts" units.
Canada doesn't have any particular need for a fabulous military, as long as we're here.
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I'm studying for the CPA exam. Have a nice summer, and if you're down just sit back and realize that Joe is off somewhere, doing much worse than you are.
Fiscal restraint, you mean? Yes, it's been a big trend lately, ever since deficit reduction became a government mantra in the mid 1990s.
TO sustain your Health care levels you will need to raise taxes again... at least that is what I got out of this..
This week, Canada's provincial premiers gathered in their newly created Council of the Federation and demanded another $2-billion for health care.
You reply: "Didn't they just get $2-billion?" Yes, but only for one year. Now they want another $2-billion a year, every year.
You might further ask: "Didn't I read somewhere about $34-billion being poured into health care over five years?" Indeed, you did read that, and the money is flowing, therefore, at about $7-billion extra a year.
More, more, more is what provinces demand, because their health-care systems are unsustainable at today's level of taxation, unless they choose to rip spending from non-health parts of their budgets. The path of least political resistance for them (a path well-beaten by them and their predecessors) is to demand further transfers from Ottawa.
Joe wrote:Canada doesn't have any particular need for a fabulous military, as long as we're here.
How... noble.
Nothing noble about it. It just doesn't make sense for them to have the Roman Army when they have a neighbor to the south they're on mostly good terms who already has it.
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I'm studying for the CPA exam. Have a nice summer, and if you're down just sit back and realize that Joe is off somewhere, doing much worse than you are.
Excuse me, that should be "Roman Military." Embarassing slip.
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I'm studying for the CPA exam. Have a nice summer, and if you're down just sit back and realize that Joe is off somewhere, doing much worse than you are.
Joe wrote:
Nothing noble about it. It just doesn't make sense for them to have the Roman Army when they have a neighbor to the south they're on mostly good terms who already has it.
Mostly? I think we're probably closer with Canada than even Commonwealth nations are with each other. Offhand I can't think of two nations that are closer than Canada and the US.
Joe wrote:
Nothing noble about it. It just doesn't make sense for them to have the Roman Army when they have a neighbor to the south they're on mostly good terms who already has it.
Mostly? I think we're probably closer with Canada than even Commonwealth nations are with each other. Offhand I can't think of two nations that are closer than Canada and the US.
The US and UK... well, maybe not in physical distance at least.
Joe wrote:
Nothing noble about it. It just doesn't make sense for them to have the Roman Army when they have a neighbor to the south they're on mostly good terms who already has it.
Mostly? I think we're probably closer with Canada than even Commonwealth nations are with each other. Offhand I can't think of two nations that are closer than Canada and the US.
At the moment however relations are slightly less magnificent than usual.
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I'm studying for the CPA exam. Have a nice summer, and if you're down just sit back and realize that Joe is off somewhere, doing much worse than you are.
Joe wrote:
Nothing noble about it. It just doesn't make sense for them to have the Roman Army when they have a neighbor to the south they're on mostly good terms who already has it.
Mostly? I think we're probably closer with Canada than even Commonwealth nations are with each other. Offhand I can't think of two nations that are closer than Canada and the US.
At the moment however relations are slightly less magnificent than usual.
Bah, a mere pissing match. Historically, there have never been two giant countries sitting side by side that get along so well, let alone where (let's be honest here) one could crush the other like a bug.
Both countries make out on the deal: Canada gets away with maintaining a tiny army, we get a dumping ground for our malcontents and draft dodgers. Plus good beer.
Any city gets what it admires, will pay for, and, ultimately, deserves…We want and deserve tin-can architecture in a tinhorn culture. And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed.--Ada Louise Huxtable, "Farewell to Penn Station", New York Times editorial, 30 October 1963 X-Ray Blues
Canada may not need a fabulous military, but we should actually have a military. If this ridiculously low funding keeps up, in a few years we won't have one at all(Link).
RedImperator wrote:Both countries make out on the deal: Canada gets away with maintaining a tiny army, we get a dumping ground for our malcontents and draft dodgers. Plus good beer.
We don't want any more of your your draft dodgers. We've got enough NDP voters up here as it is. Just let Mexico have 'em .
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Ma Deuce wrote:
We don't want any more of your your draft dodgers. We've got enough NDP voters up here as it is. Just let Mexico have 'em .
Now that would be a brand new situation, people running, jumping, and swimming in a southernly direction.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
.. Just pointing out that this seems to be a trend in the Great White North...
