Holodecks and Ship sizes

Dave · Post by **Dave** » 2004-02-28 12:20pm

Napoleon once said, "The Moral is to the Physical as 3 is to 1" So holo decks help with morale. But that leaves power consumption.

"The Holo decks energy requirements are to the rest of the Enterprise as 3 is to 1" - Picard

Or something like that.

Since you're new I'll just put this here as a friendly warning Annoucements ~GR

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2004-02-28 12:49pm

Woah Thread Necromancy ;o

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-28 12:50pm

The Holodeck has it uses but the moral benefits could be done with things that require less power and mainanence.

The Holodeck can be used to Train troops but a linit has to be set. The problem is that the thing is always on!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-02-28 12:57pm

Isolder74 wrote:The Holodeck has it uses but the moral benefits could be done with things that require less power and mainanence.

Not to mention less risk to all. What the fuck kind of "safety interlock" routinely fails? Do they even know what an interlock is?

The Holodeck can be used to Train troops but a linit has to be set. The problem is that the thing is always on!

Not to mention the aforementioned safety interlocks. If you do all your training in "God mode" against opponents where you can arbitrarily set the difficulty level, you will get a rude surprise during real combat.

Holographic opponents are pathetic; the holodeck's idea of Nazis was easily overrun by bat'leth-wielding Klingons.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-28 01:04pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:The Holodeck has it uses but the moral benefits could be done with things that require less power and mainanence.
Not to mention less risk to all. What the fuck kind of "safety interlock" routinely fails? Do they even know what an interlock is?
The Holodeck can be used to Train troops but a linit has to be set. The problem is that the thing is always on!
Not to mention the aforementioned safety interlocks. If you do all your training in "God mode" against opponents where you can arbitrarily set the difficulty level, you will get a rude surprise during real combat.

Holographic opponents are pathetic; the holodeck's idea of Nazis was easily overrun by bat'leth-wielding Klingons.

Which is why I like The US military method of wargaming. Laser gear lets you practice and still stay safe against other people. It woould be a rude awaking for Federation troops to train in one of my universe's VR Chambers. The suits simulate injuries. They truth is unless you have massive numbers charging a machine gun is suicide.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2004-02-28 01:05pm

Something resembling the Miranda and Nebula class to some degree are the way to go if your looking to make the enterprise more compact.

With the nacelles tucked tightly beneath the hull and a rollbar that has an interchangeable pod for added firepower, sensors, etc.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2004-02-28 01:36pm

What's the purpose of this thread to discuss ways of making the E-nil smaller not E-D?

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2004-02-28 01:41pm

The Miranda would fit best for the E-nil then. It would just need it's rollbar fitted to house an interchangble pod and still be kept smaller.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2004-02-28 06:51pm

Darth Wong wrote:

Holographic opponents are pathetic; the holodeck's idea of Nazis was easily overrun by bat'leth-wielding Klingons.

Well, their leader was Neidermeyer, so that's understandable.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2004-02-29 01:58am

Isolder74 wrote:The Holodeck has it uses but the moral benefits could be done with things that require less power and mainanence.

VR helmets and some form of kinesthic feedback spring immediately to mind.

Embracer Of Darkness · Post by **Embracer Of Darkness** » 2004-02-29 09:20am

Shouldn't this, and the original ship sizes thread, be in PST?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-02-29 02:30pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:The Holodeck has it uses but the moral benefits could be done with things that require less power and mainanence.
Not to mention less risk to all. What the fuck kind of "safety interlock" routinely fails? Do they even know what an interlock is?
The Holodeck can be used to Train troops but a linit has to be set. The problem is that the thing is always on!
Not to mention the aforementioned safety interlocks. If you do all your training in "God mode" against opponents where you can arbitrarily set the difficulty level, you will get a rude surprise during real combat.

Holographic opponents are pathetic; the holodeck's idea of Nazis was easily overrun by bat'leth-wielding Klingons.

That's a function of the settings, most competent militaries deliberately train at a more harsh level than reality. The National Training Center comes to mind, where the Opposing Force has the use of a 'God Gun' to arbitrarily eliminate units, without apparent cause, to disrupt the training unit.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2004-03-01 11:33am

Isolder74 wrote:Which is why I like The US military method of wargaming. Laser gear lets you practice and still stay safe against other people. It woould be a rude awaking for Federation troops to train in one of my universe's VR Chambers. The suits simulate injuries. They truth is unless you have massive numbers charging a machine gun is suicide.

MILES has its advantages and disadvantages. For example, a soldier may be tired and want to "die" so he can chill out in the PHA (Personnel Holding Area) -- although that's generally a "Let's just see what you've won" type of scenario. The Army is moving to something called simunitions, because soldiers don't particularly like being "really shot," and the things tend to sting when they hit you. Being struck by an actual projectile is less appealing than hearing an irritating beep in your ear. That being said, I don't see MILES going away, but simunitions will likely be more heavily integrated into combat training.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-03-09 08:33pm

Patrick Degan wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:The Holodeck has it uses but the moral benefits could be done with things that require less power and mainanence.
VR helmets and some form of kinesthic feedback spring immediately to mind.

This is what is used in my story's VR chambers. They Helmats actually only agment the physical illusion of the place. Now my rooms do have the minitation that you only have the size of the room to work with when using a starship VR training room the use of the room can only be used to train in squad level conditions. The idea of the place is to train in conditions that may come up in combat but the real training is not to be done on ship but at a on planet facility. The VR chamber on the ship is intended to do ship defense related combat defense senerios. I doubt the captian would let crewman play around inside tieing up such a valubale resource for as extended periods as we see Star Trek characters using the holodeck.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-03-09 08:34pm

minitation = limitation sorry about that typo?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-03-10 04:35pm

Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:

Holographic opponents are pathetic; the holodeck's idea of Nazis was easily overrun by bat'leth-wielding Klingons.
Well, their leader was Neidermeyer, so that's understandable.

Don't see why that makes that much of a difference. He was not the greatest commander but that does not change the general training and the effects of a German Light or medium machine gun.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2004-03-17 10:02am

Properly used, a holodeck would revolutionize; construction, most types of design work, training & simulation and the computer gaming industry.

But this is Startrek, they never create & use technology in a logical fashion.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-03-18 02:16pm

ggs wrote:Properly used, a holodeck would revolutionize; construction, most types of design work, training & simulation and the computer gaming industry.

But this is Startrek, they never create & use technology in a logical fashion.

I agree. Imagine using holodeck tech to form the molds for the fondation of a building. Once the concrete cures the forms can be instantly be removed and think of how fast structures could be raised this way. It can be used to Prototype New Vehicles and test them for fatal flaws in a safe envoroment(Assuming proper safety systems) before a unit goes to production.

Imagine playing doom with a laser tag gun comes to mind too.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-03-29 12:11am

Holodeck technology could also be used to create holographic soldiers. They could be good for internal ship security.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-03-29 12:22am

evilcat4000 wrote:Holodeck technology could also be used to create holographic soldiers. They could be good for internal ship security.

Until power fails

playloud · Post by **playloud** » 2004-03-31 06:08pm

Now that Voyager is back home, if Starfleet could copy the portable holo emitter that the Doctor is using, they could make an army of holographic soldiers at a rate far higher than cloning Storm Troopers. Mwuhaha

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-31 06:53pm

playloud wrote:Now that Voyager is back home, if Starfleet could copy the portable holo emitter that the Doctor is using, they could make an army of holographic soldiers at a rate far higher than cloning Storm Troopers. Mwuhaha

That assumes they can arbitrarily copy technology which is a century more advanced than their own. It also presumes that you couldn't just take them all out with an EMP.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-31 06:57pm

someone from 21st century earth was able to figure out how to recreate and use 29th century technology when it traveled back to him. It shouldn't be nearly as difficult for someone in the 24th century to figure it out, you would think.

HRogge · Post by **HRogge** » 2004-03-31 07:00pm

Darth_Zod wrote:someone from 21st century earth was able to figure out how to recreate and use 29th century technology when it traveled back to him. It shouldn't be nearly as difficult for someone in the 24th century to figure it out, you would think.

But he got a complete exploration ship including the computer... and not only a "portable transmitter"...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-31 07:01pm

Darth_Zod wrote:someone from 21st century earth was able to figure out how to recreate and use 29th century technology when it traveled back to him. It shouldn't be nearly as difficult for someone in the 24th century to figure it out, you would think.

Wrong. He was able to use it. He was NOT able to recreate it.