Durandal wrote:Draft bills make their rounds every few years or so. They never pass. Our military is one of the best in the world partially due to being a volunteer military.
One of the best?
Yes, it's one of the best. It just happens to be the one that's the best of the best, but it's still one of the best.
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Durandal wrote:Draft bills make their rounds every few years or so. They never pass. Our military is one of the best in the world partially due to being a volunteer military.
One of the best?
In terms of overall fighting power, nobody comes close to the US. But some other first-world countries have equipment that is equal or even somewhat better than their US equivilents (of course, the US also has equipment for which other countries have equivilents for, i.e. 100,000 ton CVNs and B-2 stealth bombers, and other pieces of equipment that only a small handful of others have equivilents of). The armed forces of several other first-world countries also have better individual training for their personnel.
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Ma Deuce wrote: the US also has equipment for which other countries have equivilents for, i.e. 100,000 ton CVNs and B-2 stealth bombers
Crap. That should have been: "the US also has equipment for which no other countries have equivilents for, i.e. 100,000 ton CVNs and B-2 stealth bombers"
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jegs2 wrote:<snip> Once that is complete, the draftee's time would be up and it would be, "Seeya!" Money and time wasted...
Unless they lengthen the amount of time required to be served....
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jegs2 wrote:<snip> Once that is complete, the draftee's time would be up and it would be, "Seeya!" Money and time wasted...
Unless they lengthen the amount of time required to be served....
That depends on how many troops you'd need. The length of the draft is not determined solely by training time required IIRC, but also your demographics.
For example, one of the supposed reasons the Soviets went from a 3-year to 2-year draft about 1968 was because of their demographics. They want to maintain Universal Military Service, but they had too many people (actually Males) in the correct age zone.
If you don't do Universal Military Service, then there would be screams of favoritism and all. It is already bad enough that in every draft, a certain quantity of people find ways to get deferments and all that.
Darn it all I JUST passed eligibility age. I'm all broken up about that. Sometimes being a geezer is nice. Observate:
The Selective Service Agency wrote:An early step in the resumption of the inductions process would be to hold a lottery, sequencing dates of birth by random drawing, to determine the order in which registrants of prime draft age would be called for processing for induction. For a conventional draft of "untrained" manpower, a man is in the first priority group for a possible draft during the calendar year of his 20th birthday. Beginning January 1 of the year he turns 21 he would drop into the second priority category, and men born the year after he was born would move into the first priority group. Each succeeding year, a draft eligible man drops into the next lower priority group .until he has reached his 26th birthday, at which time he is over the age of liability for the draft
Though, admittedly, I'd probably re-up. I'm all about blowing shit up and wreaking havoc and leaving a swath of death and destruction 10 miles wide. I never got a chance to use my force protection training in combat. If in wartime, I'd do my damnedest to go Armor or something similar. Bring em on? Bring em the fuck on. I got 500 .50 cal rounds each with an individual name engraved. From America with love. *kiss kiss* bitch. You're dead.
Hamel wrote:So it's undeniable that this is the real deal if Bush gets reelected
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Hamel wrote:So it's undeniable that this is the real deal if Bush gets reelected
Well, I've been wrong before
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Well. I would say we are one of the best, yes. Doesn't really matter due to nukes/and or many allies agaist you. Even the most well trained military with good equipment will most likely lose to combined industrial, military, economic power.
Prussia for exampe. Did very well, but was actually losing untill Russia pulled out of the war.
Wow, I can't believe this is still making news. Mr. RANGEL made his rounds a few months back with this tripe as a political statment. He showed up on all the news channels and all the nightly news talk shows with this crap.
I guess it was his way to opposing the war in Iraq by showing that only poor and middle class folks end up voluteering for the military and the rich don't send their kids to war.
Mr. Rangel himself is a decorated vet, so in that I admire him, but this is just political bullshit. Our military doesn't operate off the concept of conscription anymore. More with less, that's what we use today.
But with a population of 300 million, what the hell are we going to do with those troops that are forced to serve? Where the hell are you going to get the money to pay for all those troops? What kind of dope is Rangel smoking if he was actually serious about this? Can I get some of it?
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I actually don't have to worry about the draft. My eyes are too shitty. Even so, there is no way this will be passed. Draft—>bad results at the polls.
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First of all, Charles Rangel is a Democrat. Second of all, this has been a pet project of his since the run-up to Iraq. He hopes to drive more Americans against overseas deployments by putting larger numbers of their sons on the line.
Secondly, Bush still owes patronage to his own Party. He's dead in the water if he sinks the Republican boat. The draft is such a charges issue that he won't dare try to push it.
Third, the U.S. military finds the draft to be anathema. It isn't about to spend endless sums of money training personnel who will rotate out of the service before they can so much as deploy.
If Uncle Sam needs more men so desperately, he'll crank up military benefits, not put unwilling men in uniform for short periods of time.
