Have The Bad Guys Ever Won?

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-03-03 05:48pm

What movies or series are there where the bad guys win and the good guys die?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-03 05:56pm

Numerous ones. This is like asking has there ever been a bad ending in any story medium? The answer is bloody obvious.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-03-03 06:07pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Numerous ones. This is like asking has there ever been a bad ending in any story medium? The answer is bloody obvious.

Ok, then let me change my question. What are some movies where the bad guys have won?

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-03-03 06:07pm

Glory and Sparticus are examples off the top of my head where the protagonists all die at the end.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2004-03-03 06:16pm

The Maxx

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-03 06:44pm

Twilight of the Dark Master. not exactly a win for the bad guy, but not exactly a loss either.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-03-03 07:04pm

Star Wars Episode IV, A New Hope

Star Wars Episode VI, Return of the Jedi

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-03 07:19pm

Not Eva, although some would erroniously try to say so.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-03 07:21pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Not Eva, although some would erroniously try to say so.

It's certainly not a happy ending though.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-03-03 07:21pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Not Eva, although some would erroniously try to say so.

The world ended and everyone ended up in a giant ocean of tang. That's kind of a loss.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-03 07:24pm

Perhaps, but Complimentation was rejected, Instrumentality failed, and the single Perfect Being was not created. While it is indeed not a happy ending, SEELE's goals were not achieved. So the "bad guys" lost.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2004-03-03 07:30pm

1984 ends in a total, absolute, crushing defeat for the protagonist. In fact, I'm hard pressed to name a story in which the bad guys do better.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-03 07:35pm

how about Clockwork Orange? it's got a rather vague ending as to who winds up the winner.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-03 07:37pm

Yeah, but the book ends with an older Alex recognising the errors of his reckless youth, though it was unavoidable.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-03-03 08:39pm

Life of Brian. (Protagonist crucified.)

The Holy Grail. (The whole cast get's arrested.)

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-03 10:12pm

Brazil
12 Monkeys

how many movies did Terry Gilliam produced?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-03 10:15pm

The Fallen, a Denzel Washington movie.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-03 10:19pm

Joe wrote:The Fallen, a Denzel Washington movie.

I actually quite liked that movie myself.

All supernatural/mythological/Judeo-Christian without gratiutious Jesus fellatio and overly campy or hokey or cliched "spiritual" stuff.

I thought it was a fine film and to the point. Quite enjoyable.

Jaded Masses · Post by **Jaded Masses** » 2004-03-03 10:42pm

Arlington Road, bad guys detonate the bomb and good guy is blown up despite his best efforts.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-03 10:47pm

Montcalm wrote:Brazil
12 Monkeys

how many movies did Terry Gilliam produced?

You mean directed.

Try the IMDB, it's your friend.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-03-03 10:53pm

Jaded Masses wrote:Arlington Road, bad guys detonate the bomb and good guy is blown up despite his best efforts.

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-03 10:54pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Montcalm wrote:Brazil
12 Monkeys

how many movies did Terry Gilliam produced?
You mean directed.

Try the IMDB, it's your friend.

Thanks Spanky,i felt a little lazy tonight and i hoped someone else would looked for info.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-03-03 11:34pm

There was a really good six part British TV movie awhile back. The sucker left me hanging at the end of every part, which was one per week IIRC. Was about an alien invasion of modern Earth. The ending was most certainly a win for the bad guys. I actually found the movie to be really good, but also sad. I'd watch it again anyhow.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-03 11:36pm

Robert Walper wrote:There was a really good six part British TV movie awhile back. The sucker left me hanging at the end of every part, which was one per week IIRC. Was about an alien invasion of modern Earth. The ending was most certainly a win for the bad guys. I actually found the movie to be really good, but also sad. I'd watch it again anyhow.

Isn't that Invasion: Earth or something similar? Ended with the nuclear bomb flash, right?

I remember when Sci-Fi aired that about four years ago. I liked it, but agree that the clifhanger is a real downer.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-03-03 11:39pm

Frank Hipper wrote:Star Wars Episode IV, A New Hope

Star Wars Episode VI, Return of the Jedi

HEY!