Have The Bad Guys Ever Won?

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-03 11:50pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:There was a really good six part British TV movie awhile back. The sucker left me hanging at the end of every part, which was one per week IIRC. Was about an alien invasion of modern Earth. The ending was most certainly a win for the bad guys. I actually found the movie to be really good, but also sad. I'd watch it again anyhow.
Isn't that Invasion: Earth or something similar? Ended with the nuclear bomb flash, right?

I remember when Sci-Fi aired that about four years ago. I liked it, but agree that the clifhanger is a real downer.

Saw that too,no way of beatting the enemy plus it was more realistic than ID4.

Jaded Masses · Post by **Jaded Masses** » 2004-03-03 11:52pm

Gandalf wrote:
Jaded Masses wrote:Arlington Road, bad guys detonate the bomb and good guy is blown up despite his best efforts.
Yeah, that was pretty cool.

My brother and I just sat shocked for a few moments , then burst out laughing for a couple minutes

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-03-03 11:55pm

Could Dr. Strangelove count?

They build up the idea that nukes themselves are the bad guys, then the Earth gets nuked?

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-03-03 11:58pm

Episode 3....

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-03-04 12:11am

Montcalm wrote:Brazil

Incorrect. In the end, the bad guys say "he got away" before they start torturing him, and look very disappointed

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2004-03-04 12:34am

Jaded Masses wrote:
My brother and I just sat shocked for a few moments , then burst out laughing for a couple minutes

Didn't the good guy get blamed for the bombing to?

Dargos · Post by **Dargos** » 2004-03-04 07:32am

SylasGaunt wrote:
Jaded Masses wrote:
My brother and I just sat shocked for a few moments , then burst out laughing for a couple minutes
Didn't the good guy get blamed for the bombing to?

Yep...all went according to plan, and the bad guys continue to plan other attacks.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-04 07:37am

Slartibartfast wrote:
Montcalm wrote:Brazil
Incorrect. In the end, the bad guys say "he got away" before they start torturing him, and look very disappointed

In the shit alternate ending, yes. Studio butchered Gilliam's work.

Invasion: Earth's ending was left open intentionally and was quite annoying to some given most Western works have to give an exact ending for the audience seeing as imaginations run low nowadays. But yes, it ended with a nuking of the nD's structure acting like a giant tumour.

In case it hasn't been mentioned, Blake's 7 has one of the best and most depressing endings to any sci-fi series ever.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2004-03-04 07:51am

William Munny, Unforgiven.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-04 07:55am

BoredShirtless wrote:William Munny, Unforgiven.

One of the best US made Westerns ever, the ending is more than emotionally charged. It rivals even Sergio Leone's Westerns.

I suppose you could see Unbreakable as a bad ending of sorts with the bad guy winning somewhat.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-04 08:11am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:William Munny, Unforgiven.
One of the best US made Westerns ever, the ending is more than emotionally charged. It rivals even Sergio Leone's Westerns.

I suppose you could see Unbreakable as a bad ending of sorts with the bad guy winning somewhat.

Except Sam Jackson's character gets arrested in the end. But that was one of the coolest scenes I've seen (Unbreakable is the best film from that guy - he's only made 3 films, right?)

And Unforgiven can be forgiven for it's slow pacing just for that lightning-quick gunfight at the end. Seeing Clint Eastwood walk into the bar and face down half-a-dozen sherrif's deputies and the Sheriff himself - and win - was like the icing on a chocolate cake.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-03-04 09:18am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:There was a really good six part British TV movie awhile back. The sucker left me hanging at the end of every part, which was one per week IIRC. Was about an alien invasion of modern Earth. The ending was most certainly a win for the bad guys. I actually found the movie to be really good, but also sad. I'd watch it again anyhow.
Isn't that Invasion: Earth or something similar? Ended with the nuclear bomb flash, right?

Yeah, that was it.

I remember when Sci-Fi aired that about four years ago. I liked it, but agree that the clifhanger is a real downer.

The bad guys won from what I saw. As I recall, it was mentioned they existed in multiple(or was it infinite) dimensions, and that the Earth's militaries were going to nuke every inch of Earth's surface rather then giving in to them. Naturally that implied Earth was going to rapidly become inhabitable.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-04 09:31am

Uninhabitable...

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-04 09:33am

The nD invasion only occured at that remote Scottish village though with previous encounters seen in the 1940s during WWII. They were planning on nuking that one fortress that had materialised after the Tornado interdiction failed. Then it just fades to white as if a nuke went off. It's too open to really call it, but anyone can interpret it their own way.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2004-03-04 11:45am

There was a special ending for Army of Darkness where Ash drinks too much of the time travel potion, then he wakes up and the world was transformed into a wasteland by a nuclear war. Does that count, or are special editions not 'in'?

On a similar post-apocalyptic note, you could, technically, say the bad guys win at the end of Mad Max, not because they got away, but because Max's family was dead and he had lost everything dear to him and became a wandering nomad, leading him to the events in Road Warrior.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-04 11:48am

i think it only counts if it happened in the actual movie as opposed to the extras included in the movie.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-04 11:53am

Darth_Zod wrote:i think it only counts if it happened in the actual movie as opposed to the extras included in the movie.

Well in the caseof AoD it's a bit harder to define given the US got one ending and the EU got another.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-03-04 11:57am

At the end of The Bridges at Toko-Ri the main character gets gunned down.

I'm also thinking the bad guys mostly won in Dr. Shivago.

The "Bad Guy" wins in The Villian when Ann-Margret's character chooses to go off with Cactus Jack (Kirk Douglas) and ditches the good guy, Handsome Stranger (Arnold Schwarzeneggar).

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2004-03-04 11:59am

Lazy Raptor will agree:

Reign of Fire
all the Jurassic Parks

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-03-04 12:02pm

InnerBrat wrote:Lazy Raptor will agree:

Reign of Fire
all the Jurassic Parks

Don't forget Dragonslayer.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-04 12:04pm

Wouldn't every single Steven Seagal movie movie count, since I hate Steven Seagal and he always wins in his movies?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-03-04 12:08pm

Darth Wong wrote:Wouldn't every single Steven Seagal movie movie count, since I hate Steven Seagal and he always wins in his movies?

Of course he wins, he kicks ass!

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2004-03-04 12:15pm

Tsyroc wrote:
InnerBrat wrote:Lazy Raptor will agree:

Reign of Fire
all the Jurassic Parks
Don't forget Dragonslayer.

I seem to remember the dragon winning in that....

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-04 12:17pm

Stofsk wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:William Munny, Unforgiven.
One of the best US made Westerns ever, the ending is more than emotionally charged. It rivals even Sergio Leone's Westerns.

I suppose you could see Unbreakable as a bad ending of sorts with the bad guy winning somewhat.
Except Sam Jackson's character gets arrested in the end. But that was one of the coolest scenes I've seen (Unbreakable is the best film from that guy - he's only made 3 films, right?)

I think i`ll have to rent the movie now,when i saw it on tv the ending was not like this,maybe they edited it or something.

Samuel L Jackson movie list

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-04 12:24pm

Tsyroc wrote:At the end of The Bridges at Toko-Ri the main character gets gunned down.

I'm also thinking the bad guys mostly won in Dr. Shivago.

That's Dr. Zhivago, with a 'z' my friend.

For patriotic concerns, I add "Gallipoli" - the good guy dies at the end, though Mel survives - not surprising as he was a courier, while the protagonist was a grunt ordered to charge no-man's land.

Also "Breaker Morant" - two Aussie soldiers are executed by the British in the Boer war. The movie shows the Aussies were victims of politics. I don't know much about the history of it all, but the movie showed the Aussies as the good guys and the pommy bastards as ... well, bastards.