Have The Bad Guys Ever Won?

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-03-04 12:25pm

InnerBrat wrote: I seem to remember the dragon winning in that....

All of her young were dead and she went down in a ball of flame. Granted the wizard died with her but I wouldn't even call that a Pyrrhic victory since the majority of the "good guys" survived.

All hail Casidorus Rex...Dragonslayer!

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-04 12:30pm

Montcalm wrote:I think i`ll have to rent the movie now,when i saw it on tv the ending was not like this,maybe they edited it or something.

I discovered long ago that TV is shit, and if there's anything worth watching on it you'll find a much higher quality variant at the video store eg. Babylon 5 on TV was a late night hodge podge of media time slot juggling and rank and file disregard of sci-fi (a thanks and cheery "fuck you!" to channel 9...), while at the video store you can pick and choose which tapes to rent.

Same goes with movies. On TV you're bound to find one or two scenes that have been cut or censored by the oversensitive fundies - some of Eddie Murphey's Beverley Hills Cop films had this shit inflicted upon them, incredibly, as did the Blue Brothers (it's a crime to say "motherfucker!" on TV, even if you show the film late at night and with proper ratings guide). End result?

to TV in general and

to the people who do the censorship.

Can I ask what the ending you saw entailed? I want to know how it was different.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-03-04 12:32pm

That reminds me. How could we forget the animated verison of The Hobbit? Poor Smaug gets shot down after trying to track down the people who robbed him.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-04 12:50pm

Stofsk wrote:
Montcalm wrote:I think i`ll have to rent the movie now,when i saw it on tv the ending was not like this,maybe they edited it or something.
Can I ask what the ending you saw entailed? I want to know how it was different.

What i saw is after SLJs character convinced BW that he has some kind of hability,Bruce goes to stop a crime fight with the criminal then kill him...the end

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-03-04 01:08pm

Montcalm wrote: What i saw is after SLJs character convinced BW that he has some kind of hability,Bruce goes to stop a crime fight with the criminal then kill him...the end

There should be at least two scenes after that part. One with Bruce and his family and then one with Bruce and SLJ.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-04 01:12pm

Tsyroc wrote:
Montcalm wrote: What i saw is after SLJs character convinced BW that he has some kind of hability,Bruce goes to stop a crime fight with the criminal then kill him...the end
There should be at least two scenes after that part. One with Bruce and his family and then one with Bruce and SLJ.

Damn network,now i feel like Phoebe when she saw what happen in Old Yeller.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-04 01:24pm

That is fucking criminal. After Bruce Willis totals the home invader, it just ends? What the fuck did those bitch-arse motherfucking camwhores TV execs think they were doing?

*takes a deep breath*

Are you sure that it ended there? Not to disparage you or anything, but I mean was it literally ended right then and there? As in, home invader gets the chop and suddenly it's the credits rolling? Dammit all the way to fucking hades, if so you just missed out on one of the best conclusions ever! And I fucking spoilt it for you too.

<--- *conflicting emotions*

Rent it. It's worth watching just for the end.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-03-04 01:32pm

The Devils Advocate.

"Vanity is definatly my favourite sin." - John Milton

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2004-03-04 01:34pm

Lord Pounder wrote:The Devils Advocate.

"Vanity is definatly my favourite sin." - John Milton

Oooh, good call.

If I was the son of the Devil and Connie Neilson was my half sister I'd bone her.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-03-04 01:40pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Montcalm wrote:Brazil
Incorrect. In the end, the bad guys say "he got away" before they start torturing him, and look very disappointed
In the shit alternate ending, yes. Studio butchered Gilliam's work.

Incorrect again. In the director's cut, he dreams the whole thing and ends like a vegetal, but the bad guys say "he got away" anyway, and look very disappointed. So the bad guys don't win (since they were looking forward to torturing him)

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-04 01:43pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote: Incorrect. In the end, the bad guys say "he got away" before they start torturing him, and look very disappointed
In the shit alternate ending, yes. Studio butchered Gilliam's work.
Incorrect again. In the director's cut, he dreams the whole thing and ends like a vegetal, but the bad guys say "he got away" anyway, and look very disappointed. So the bad guys don't win (since they were looking forward to torturing him)

I construed it as a bad ending given he dreamt the whole escape anyway and was, as you say, a vegetable. Not quite a clear cut win.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-03-04 01:48pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I construed it as a bad ending given he dreamt the whole escape anyway and was, as you say, a vegetable. Not quite a clear cut win.

Well, if the bad guys say he win then one would think that is the case

EDIT: He was smiling too. I think he was happy.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-04 01:59pm

Well, there was this TV show I saw a little over three years ago about a group of fundie idiots who wanted to seize control of a superpower's government, divert government funds to their religious agenda, oppress certain minorities, and start modifying the laws and tax codes to handsomely reward themselves and all of their wealthy friends.

I think it was on CNN.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-04 01:59pm

Damn, I hate reality TV.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2004-03-04 02:59pm

Sorry, brain fart.
I was thinking of the Sean Connery film, I forget the name.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2004-03-04 03:21pm

Darth Wong wrote:Well, there was this TV show I saw a little over three years ago about a group of fundie idiots who wanted to seize control of a superpower's government, divert government funds to their religious agenda, oppress certain minorities, and start modifying the laws and tax codes to handsomely reward themselves and all of their wealthy friends.

I think it was on CNN.

I saw that show, it was pretty unbelievable and over the top.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-03-04 03:38pm

There was a CG animated series of Transformers: Beast Wars, distributed or made by Animax where at the end Cybertron (or what the name of the bad guy was) wins and assimilates/or defeats the gud guys (Optimus Prime - a gorilla, a rat guy, a leopard ....). I might screw things up a little, as I'm not very familliar with this universe, but that's the best I remember now.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-03-04 03:42pm

That would technically be Beast Machines.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-03-04 03:52pm

Maybe we can count here Braveheart too. I mean, Mel achieves a moral victory, but the king crushes his insurection and kills him.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-03-04 03:53pm

Screamers, where the evil mechanical teddybear makes it back to Earth.

Blade 2, Nomack killed his father and sister, gaining revenge, his later death doesn't change the fact that he met his objective, and the fact that he shoved the sword deeper into himself supports the idea that he felt he accomplished his mission.

ST Voyager

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2004-03-04 04:47pm

Jeepers Creepers

Cabin Fever

Sorority House Massascre II

House of 1000 Corpses

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-03-04 05:55pm

Stofsk wrote:
Tsyroc wrote:At the end of The Bridges at Toko-Ri the main character gets gunned down.

I'm also thinking the bad guys mostly won in Dr. Shivago.
That's Dr. Zhivago, with a 'z' my friend.

That is depending on the language you're in

In German, it is spelled "Dr. Shiwago", as that spelling is in German the closest to the way it actually sounds in Russian

As for Bad Guys winning, I'm not sure if it fits, but "The Bridge of the River Kwai" had a very unfair ending

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-04 06:29pm

InnerBrat wrote:Sorry, brain fart.
I was thinking of the Sean Connery film, I forget the name.

Dragonheart.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-03-04 06:34pm

What was the original ending of Brazil?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-04 06:36pm

NecronLord wrote:What was the original ending of Brazil?

The one that's on the current Criterion DVD.