Have The Bad Guys Ever Won?

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2004-03-04 06:44pm

How'd the bad guy win in Reign of Fire ?

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2004-03-04 09:10pm

consequences wrote:Screamers, where the evil mechanical teddybear makes it back to Earth.

Was that the movie where some military guys go to a colony and have to fight all of these crazy robots disgused as colonists(mostly little girls) and the military commander puts the chick in the escape rocket at the end?

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-03-04 09:31pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
InnerBrat wrote:Sorry, brain fart.
I was thinking of the Sean Connery film, I forget the name.
Dragonheart.

Tha bad guy looses there. And Draco still meets his objective by redeeming himself.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-04 09:37pm

I know, I was just telling IB what the name of the movie was, as she couldn't remember.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-03-04 09:52pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I know, I was just telling IB what the name of the movie was, as she couldn't remember.

No problem. That was a very nice movie.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-04 10:00pm

justifier wrote:
consequences wrote:Screamers, where the evil mechanical teddybear makes it back to Earth.

Was that the movie where some military guys go to a colony and have to fight all of these crazy robots disgused as colonists(mostly little girls) and the military commander puts the chick in the escape rocket at the end?

They were little boys i think,and the chick was a robot too,only the commander escapes with the teddy bear.

and the movie was filmed in Quebec province,with the undergroud base scenes filmed in the upper levels of the Montreal`s Olympic stadium.

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2004-03-04 10:23pm

Montcalm wrote:
justifier wrote:
consequences wrote:Screamers, where the evil mechanical teddybear makes it back to Earth.

Was that the movie where some military guys go to a colony and have to fight all of these crazy robots disgused as colonists(mostly little girls) and the military commander puts the chick in the escape rocket at the end?
They were little boys i think,and the chick was a robot too,only the commander escapes with the teddy bear.

and the movie was filmed in Quebec province,with the undergroud base scenes filmed in the upper levels of the Montreal`s Olympic stadium.

Thank you, kind sir! I saw that movie but never learned the title, it's been bothering me for years.

*Waves arms around*
Finally free FREE FREE
*Runs off cliff*

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-04 10:29pm

justifier wrote: *Waves arms around*
Finally free FREE FREE
*Runs off cliff*

Good that means more cookies for me

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2004-03-04 10:33pm

Montcalm wrote:
justifier wrote: *Waves arms around*
Finally free FREE FREE
*Runs off cliff*
Good that means more cookies for me

Rumors of my death have been greatly exagerated

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-04 10:36pm

justifier wrote:
Montcalm wrote:
justifier wrote: *Waves arms around*
Finally free FREE FREE
*Runs off cliff*
Good that means more cookies for me
Rumors of my death have been greatly exagerated

Who was the first to say that?

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2004-03-04 10:42pm

Montcalm wrote:
justifier wrote:
Montcalm wrote: Good that means more cookies for me
Rumors of my death have been greatly exagerated
Who was the first to say that?

Some bearded dude, Twain something other, I think he's the guy that killed Lincoln.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2004-03-04 10:51pm

I can't believe we got this far without mentioning Enemey at the Gates

Granted, I label both sides as "The bad guys", it's just that, in my humble half-Jewish opinion, the Russians were only slightly better. You know, in that they didn't target specific ethnic groups, they killed everyong.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-03-04 10:58pm

Enemy at the Gates can't count- the Russians are the good guys because they're part of the Allies. Besides, it's more a focus on Vasiliy Zaistev than the Motherland; and you can't refer to Jude Law as a bad guy unless he looks like that psycho he played in Road to Perdition.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-04 11:27pm

Vympel wrote:Enemy at the Gates can't count- the Russians are the good guys because they're part of the Allies. Besides, it's more a focus on Vasiliy Zaistev than the Motherland; and you can't refer to Jude Law as a bad guy unless he looks like that psycho he played in Road to Perdition.

That's right, Jude Law plays a nice, friendly sniper in "Enemy at the Gates."

Also, Rachel Weiz - she's not one of the bad guys.

Note: I didn't like what the Russians did either but by the film they're the "good" guys. Ok, at least Jude Law and Rachel Weiz are. All the other characters either die or... uh, die. I think someone may have been shipped to Siberia, but I can't recall.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2004-03-04 11:35pm

Vympel wrote:Enemy at the Gates can't count- the Russians are the good guys because they're part of the Allies. Besides, it's more a focus on Vasiliy Zaistev than the Motherland; and you can't refer to Jude Law as a bad guy unless he looks like that psycho he played in Road to Perdition.

Yeah, they sure seemed like good guys, what with the NKVD holding guns and shooting at people who let the self-preservation mechanism kick in.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-03-04 11:41pm

Vasiliy Zaistev is the protagonist. He lived and killed the bad guys. Ergo, the bad guy didn't win. In the narrative structure that the film set up.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2004-03-04 11:55pm

He was a Badguy, all the Russians were badguys. Besides, they weren't so much "Allies" as "co-belligerants".

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2004-03-04 11:57pm

Dude, story structure says that the Russian sniper was the good guy, he killed the German sniper who was set up as the bad guy....comprende?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-03-05 12:07am

Lonestar wrote:He was a Badguy, all the Russians were badguys. Besides, they weren't so much "Allies" as "co-belligerants".

Two words. Narrative structure. Hell, the German sniper had that kid killed. That already marks him as the bad guy.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2004-03-05 12:20am

I still say that both sides were "bad", Narrative Structureing be damned.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-05 12:41am

Lonestar wrote:I still say that both sides were "bad", Narrative Structureing be damned.

What's this "both" sides bullshit? Vasiliy is the protagonist, and he's a nice guy - he might be a fucking Russian but so what? He's not Stalin, he didn't go around shooting peasants. He's the hero of the story. Jesus fuck - my ancestry is Hungarian, does that make me evil because of Vlad the Impaler? Fuck no. Is Vasiliy evil because I hate the Russians for invading Hungary? Fuck no. Get a grip - not every Russian was like Stalin.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2004-03-05 01:10am

Lonestar wrote:I still say that both sides were "bad", Narrative Structureing be damned.

And I say "tell that to my grandparents who fought in the war"

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2004-03-05 04:17am

Lonestar wrote:I still say that both sides were "bad", Narrative Structureing be damned.

Dude, that'd mean the end of Das Boot was a happy ending, and given that was the best damn WWII film ever made, that's wrong, very wrong.

The Third Man · Post by **The Third Man** » 2004-03-05 05:13am

Admiral Valdemar wrote: best damn WWII film ever made

Speaking of which, the good guys didn't do too well in The Great Escape.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2004-03-05 06:06am

aphexmonster wrote:How'd the bad guy win in Reign of Fire ?

They kill all the dragons. That's how.