Could an ISD capture the Enterprise?

[Trogdor]

If that happened, why would they even be trying to capture it? It seems implicit to me that they would already have had some experience with this part of space before attempting to capture a GCS. I would tend to think that their first exposure to a GCS would involve them either blowing it up, negotiating with it, or seeing it warp away for its life. The notion of a "capture the GCS" operation implies that some level of planning is allowed.

I admit it's not likely that an ISD captain would randomly bump into a GCS and try to catch it, but there have been some odd or not too bright Imperial captains. Perhaps he was flung into the Milky Way and wants to grab a piece of their tech for the Emperor before he returns home.

I think they could do it, but only with very extensive planning and possibly modifications to the turbolasers to make them less powerful or something. A normal ISD vs. the E-D would be like a human trying to capture a rug mite without killing it, especially if the ion cannons are lethal. But I conceed that it would be easy for the Imps to get enough GCS to do it.

[Alferd Packer]

Just don't let Picard get into a holodeck. He'll replicate a tommy gun and blow away the Stormtroopers that followed him in. Repeat ad nauseum.

Not that this could be an E-D possibilty, but if they equipped the security personell with those TR-70 sniper dealies with the microtransporters and just pick off the stormtroopers from ten decks away as they board. Of course, stormtrooper armor could probably resist a shot or five from one of those rifles. And since they come from post-TNG, they don't really count, anyway. But man, what a head scratcher those weapons could be...until you throw up some sort of scattering field, of course.

[Phantasee]

Better yet, the ISD could send Ambassador Vader.

"Greetings, Ambassador Vader. I am Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enter--GAAAAKK!!!!"
"Your lack of security is disturbing..."

That would probably be sufficient...

[Darth Wong]

Just don't let Picard get into a holodeck. He'll replicate a tommy gun and blow away the Stormtroopers that followed him in. Repeat ad nauseum.

They're not Remans.

Not that this could be an E-D possibilty, but if they equipped the security personell with those TR-70 sniper dealies with the microtransporters and just pick off the stormtroopers from ten decks away as they board. Of course, stormtrooper armor could probably resist a shot or five from one of those rifles.

Or a hundred, since they fire subsonic rounds (note: no "crack" when the bullet moves through the air, hence no tiny sonic boom, hence obviously subsonic).

And since they come from post-TNG, they don't really count, anyway. But man, what a head scratcher those weapons could be...until you throw up some sort of scattering field, of course.

Since the stormies would be rapidly advancing through the ship and shrugging off the occasional hit from this weapon, I don't see what difference it would make.

[Rogue 9]

Just don't let Picard get into a holodeck. He'll replicate a tommy gun and blow away the Stormtroopers that followed him in. Repeat ad nauseum.

They're not Remans.

Or Borg. Did he do that to the Remans too? I never watched Nemesis all the way through. Man, talk about your repetitive tricks.

[Arthur_Tuxedo]

Just don't let Picard get into a holodeck. He'll replicate a tommy gun and blow away the Stormtroopers that followed him in. Repeat ad nauseum.

More like this:

Picard, running for his life, makes a sharp left into the holodeck. "Activate subroutine get-tommy-gun-shoot-people! Safeties off!"

The stormies come in to find a 1930s bar in full swing, and can't seem to make out where Picard is among the crowd. The stormtroopers look at each other, shrug, and roll a thermal detonator into the room.

Picard does his usual wrench gun out of thug's hands trick, chuckling to himself at his cleverness, as the detonator goes off and blows both him and the holodeck to bits.

[Iceberg]

Sure can. AOTC ICS gives higher numbers for shields. And advances a theory, by using watts for shield measurements, that the shield output isn't like ST where single shots take a slice out of the sheilds ("20%!") reserve. According to AOTC ICS they'd need to smack it with 24000Mt (using that calc) in a second to overcome the shield. Which they can't.

Well then, either way the ISD has plenty of time to snatch and grab the Enterprise and then take it back to a more private and intimate place to 'negotiate'.

<ISD captain> Hey, the slut was ASKING for it! You saw how bright and flashy her engines were!

[General Zod]

ISD Bridge Admiral: "Commander, i thought i told you to fire a warning shot on the alien vessel, not destroy it."

Faceless Minion #1: "But sir, i did fire a warning shot! i set the turbolasers to their lowest power setting first!"

ISD Bridge Admiral: "oh dear. well, at least this will make the paperwork easier."

[YT300000]

Just don't let Picard get into a holodeck. He'll replicate a tommy gun and blow away the Stormtroopers that followed him in. Repeat ad nauseum.

They're not Remans.

Or Borg. Did he do that to the Remans too? I never watched Nemesis all the way through. Man, talk about your repetitive tricks.

Actually, I believe that was a reference to the Reman's complete retardation. There wasn't a holodeck scene with them in Nemesis.

[Dave]

This is dave, the newbie who posted this. Yes, I didn't give any intel, and here and now is a poor place to put the intel, but I will put it in.
*mental note to self: PUT THE WHOLE SENARIO AT THE START!!!*

Let's assume the Empire has had fleeting contact with the Fed's and wants to capture a ship for further examination. They also do a focused sensor scan of the entire Enterprise.

Does that clear things up?

[Trogdor]

That clears things up quite nicely. Under these circumstances, I think an ISD could probably do it, but they'd have to be careful not to blow the E-D.

BTW, I wasn't made at you or anything for forgetting to add specifics and I'm sorry if you thought I was. That's a very mild newbie error so don't beat yourself up over it, Dave.

[Alferd Packer]

Or a hundred, since they fire subsonic rounds (note: no "crack" when the bullet moves through the air, hence no tiny sonic boom, hence obviously subsonic).

Well, that just makes it even more hilarious.

*stormtroopers disembark and begin spreading throughout the ship*

*PING!*

Stormie 1: "What the hell was that?"

Stormie 2: "What was what?"

*PINGPINGPINGPING*

Stormie 1: "There it is again! I think my helmet's busted."

Stormie 2: "Nah, you're just hearing things. Hey, there are some redshirts up there. Set for 'maim.' "

Or something like that.

Though, now that I think about it, would the projectiles carry enough momentum to knock someone over, even at subsonic velocity? The DS9 episode is a little fuzzy in my head, but I think I remember seeing someone getting knocked back when struck with a bullet, although they just might have been falling over.

Off the top of my head, I don't know what a fair estimate of mass of a bullet is, but if we say 50 grams, or .05 kg, and use 300 m/s as a velocity figure(fast, but under the speed of sound of air at freezing, which it wouldn't be anyway), we get a momentum of 15 kgm/s.

For a 75 kg stormtrooper, assuming a totally inelastic collistion with himself and the bullet, his velocity from rest after collision would be somewhere around .19 m/s. He might stumble if he got hit in his foot with it in the air whilst walking, I suppose. I don't know if such a collision is enough to knock someone over; most likely not.

The only other possibility, I suppose, would be if one were able to beam the bullet inside of a lung, where it would richochet around and do all sorts of damage. But if ST people were capable of that kind of presicion, they'd probably already do that to negate body armor. But, for that tactic to be persued, one would actually have to encounter body armor often enough to give it consideration.

I guess the Feddies, as usual, would be fucked.

[Elheru Aran]

Picard, running for his life, makes a sharp left into the holodeck. "Activate subroutine get-tommy-gun-shoot-people! Safeties off!"

The stormies come in to find a 1930s bar in full swing, and can't seem to make out where Picard is among the crowd. The stormtroopers look at each other, shrug, and roll a thermal detonator into the room.

Picard does his usual wrench gun out of thug's hands trick, chuckling to himself at his cleverness, as the detonator goes off and blows both him and the holodeck to bits.

LOL... hilarious! I can just see the expression on Picard's face as he sees the little white cylinder rolling across the floor... and then, BOOM!

More seriously, I agree... even if the stormies decided to go into the bar and look around, when Picard opens up on 'em, maybe one or two'll be knocked over by the bullets; but the rest just let fly right at him as everybody else will have hit the deck when he grabbed the tommy gun.... being the only guy standing, he'd be a little obvious, no?

He goes down, white blazer flaming... knocked-down stormies pick themselves up, complaining about the nicks in their armor. Period...

[Sharp-kun]

I hope by bauble you mean rock, because I would feel ripped off to pay much more than that for GCS plans.
And Comosicus, probably. The main problem with capturing GCSs is that it is hard to hit them without them blowing up. It is ironic that the difficulty of capturing a ship would not be from internal resistance or from its ability to fight back, but from the near inability of the enemy to disable it without blowing it up. Only on a VS. community would you get this.

(emphasis mine) i've already demonstrated how this is possible. target the nacells and as long as the ship is in mostly decent condition, it shall not explode.

The Enterprise blew up from a glancing collision with a nacelle.

[General Zod]

a collision is a far cry from a blaster/phaser shot. which enterprise and where was this in btw?

[Crazedwraith]

a collision is a far cry from a blaster/phaser shot. which enterprise and where was this in btw?

E-D in "cause and effect" it hadn't half-a-dozen times as well meaning it wasn't a one in a million it should never happen in real life fluke.

[Burak Gazan]

a collision is a far cry from a blaster/phaser shot. which enterprise and where was this in btw?

"Cause and Effect" -- continuous time-loop episode in which Ent-D suffers a glancing impact to her starboard nacelle; sets off a chain reaction which obliterates the ship.

[YT300000]

a collision is a far cry from a blaster/phaser shot. which enterprise and where was this in btw?

E-D in "cause and effect" it hadn't half-a-dozen times as well meaning it wasn't a one in a million it should never happen in real life fluke.

Indeed. 17 out of 17 times is well past the margin of deviation.

[Sharp-kun]

a collision is a far cry from a blaster/phaser shot. which enterprise and where was this in btw?

Cause and Effect.

It was far less damaged than Reliant was, yet each time it happened, the ship was destroyed. The Galaxy class has shit nacelles and warp systems compared to other classes.

[Tribun]

Why do I have the impression, that TOS ships are much better at damage control?

[Rogue 9]

Why do I have the impression, that TOS ships are much better at damage control?

Because they are.

[Elheru Aran]

This issue has been done with. The idea of the original post was to find out whether the ISD could capture the Enterprise. The general consensus is that YES, IT CAN. So let's move on to other things... this topic has been resolved.

(Note to mods-- sorry to be nudging into your territory, I'm just stating my opinion...)

[General Zod]

a collision is a far cry from a blaster/phaser shot. which enterprise and where was this in btw?

Cause and Effect.

It was far less damaged than Reliant was, yet each time it happened, the ship was destroyed. The Galaxy class has shit nacelles and warp systems compared to other classes.

eh. even still, controlled energy blasts have been proven to merely disable the nacelles, provided one knows how much force is needed. though naturally any head on collision would be much more damaging, as it would result in the nacelles being torn apart, plasma venting every which way and the whole thing erupting.

[Sharp-kun]

eh. even still, controlled energy blasts have been proven to merely disable the nacelles, provided one knows how much force is needed. though naturally any head on collision would be much more damaging, as it would result in the nacelles being torn apart, plasma venting every which way and the whole thing erupting.

Kirk blew the nacelle right off the Reliant's pylon. If that was to happen to a Galaxy class ship the core would breach in a few seconds.

The collision the Enterprise recieved wasn't head on. It was a glancing blow and the nacelle had little if any visible damage afterwards (as I recall). A minute later, boom.

[General Zod]

mentioned it before, but in the episode where Picard was doing an archaelogical dig as apart of shore leave or something similar, and he got abducted by site robbers, they fired a controlled shot to disable the Enterprise's nacelles without damaging it severely. so it has been proven that low level energy blasts simply disable the ship as opposed to destroying it outright. iirc it was disabled for quite some time too.