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Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-14 01:59pm

But a lot of people didn't know about them until around 1995-97.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-14 02:13pm

Point.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-10-14 07:21pm

according to Google there are much more references on the internet to Imperial -Class (1,610) rather than Imperator -Class (244)
wouldn't that imply that a majority of SW fans call them Imperial?

Also, everything about the Mandel drawings (which I am lead to believe is just fan art) is wrong, I don't understand how you can take certain aspects of them and declare they are right.

There is absolutely NO official justification for calling them Imperators.

That's all I'm saying.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-14 07:23pm

Imperial-class is a slang term.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-10-14 07:39pm

IG-88E wrote:Imperial-class is a slang term.

Apaprently...

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-14 07:56pm

Well, you seemed confused about it...

Sootydog · Post by **Sootydog** » 2002-10-14 08:18pm

So wait... the majority of Star Wars fans have KNOWN that it's Imperator class for, say, the last 25 years, and NOONE has told me? Better yet, Rick McCallum has never told me? And 25 years... shit dog, you mean Star Wars fans have been talking to each other about Imperator for 25 years? And George Lucas never once corrected himself by remaking the movies and calling them Imperator class? And if we can say Imperial is slang, we can get two points out of this:

1) Who's to say that X-Wing is also slang and it's really designated Codename Fishsticks? For that matter, once you start saying one thing is slang, doesn't that theoretically make EVERYTHING slang? Going by the e/n of EU that is.

b) The Rebels just guessed at Imperial class, when the real name was Imperator class. WOW! Those rebels sure were very close! Why didn't Admiral Fishface correct them all, what with him being a sex slave of Darth Vadar or something. Surely he'd know all the *official* names for the StarDestroyers. And, if he was anything like you guys, he'd be PISSED OFF that everyone was walking around calling them Imperial, what with the real name being Imperator.

Find me some irrefutable proof, and I will change my mind.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-10-14 09:27pm

Sootydog wrote:1) Who's to say that X-Wing is also slang and it's really designated Codename Fishsticks? For that matter, once you start saying one thing is slang, doesn't that theoretically make EVERYTHING slang? Going by the e/n of EU that is.

In Empire Strikes Back an Imperial Officer says to Vader: "Ship approaching; X-Wing class" in reference to Luke's arrival at Cloud City

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-16 03:26am

"The Rebels just guessed at Imperial class, when the real name was Imperator class. WOW"

Its not close at all. Imperator is a conferred title and means along the lines of commanding; it's not Latin for 'Imperial'.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-16 03:33am

Originally Imperator means commander of an army (from imperare = to order, ie the one that orders/commands).
Lateron, Emperors of the the Roman Empire added Imperator to their title and it became (along with Caesar) a word for Emperor.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-10-16 05:32am

And yet, according to Saxton, Imperators are very "average" ships of the Imperial navy... wouldn't Imperator better fit something like the Executor or Eclipse?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-16 06:58am

Imperator in compariosn to Executor (let's ignore the Eclipse, it's an EU ship and EU class designations move away from the ships of the films) is purely subjective. What Imperator has going for it is

- The Mandel blueprints call it Imperator
- It makes more sense in light of modern naval designations; where the class of vessels is called the first ship. 'Galactic Empire' would make more sense than 'Imperial'; for example we have the USS United States of America, but not the USS 'American'.
- It fits in with the class names Acclamator, Mandator, Procurator and Executor: all Kuat Drive Yards ships; not to mention the known Star Destroyer names: Devastator and Avenger.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-10-16 07:59am

I really don't think those points are valid

1. the madel blueprints aren't official (apparently)
2. you really can't compare sw with real life like that, it's a logical fallacy
3. most of those names were made up by saxton, saxton bases all his reasoning on mandel. What about other ISD names? Accuser, Conquest, Tyrant, Invincible, Garret, Majestic, etc. They don't seem to follow a particular rule.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-16 08:31am

Sardaukar wrote:I really don't think those points are valid

1. the madel blueprints aren't official (apparently)
2. you really can't compare sw with real life like that, it's a logical fallacy
3. most of those names were made up by saxton, saxton bases all his reasoning on mandel. What about other ISD names? Accuser, Conquest, Tyrant, Invincible, Garret, Majestic, etc. They don't seem to follow a particular rule.

1. They are
2. Yes you can. When watching SW with open eyes and an open mind, you will notice the many parallels between SW and real life:
the Old Republic and the Empire are obviously meant to represent the Roman Republic and Empire, while Palpatine is Julius Caesar or Octavian.
Star Destroyers are meant to represent the Dreadnought battleships from the turn of the century, while the fighters represent WWIIera or early post WWII era fighter planes.
3. Nope, he doesn't. He takes Imperator because it is the most logical choice and the rebel slang explanation also justifies the existence of the term imperial class.
The names Accuser, Conqueror, Devastator, Avenger, Tyrant etc. follow a certain rule. See if you can figure it out yourself, in case you can't, I'll tell you: all these words describe a person actively doing something.
The Imperator issues orders, Accuser accuses, Conqueror conquers, Devastator devastates etc.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-10-16 09:01am

blah blah ad infinitum
also I was refering to Conquest, NOT Conqueror. From the SW CCG (RIP)

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-16 09:05am

You really were too lazy to read that weren't you?
Also, names from the EU like Conquest Eclips Chimera etc. are always more difficult to explain.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-10-16 09:32am

No I read it, but it's nothing you and others haven't said before, that I didn't already know.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-16 10:59am

Since Cpt_Frank already pointed out your mistakes, I'll just add to them:

2- how is it a 'logical fallacy' to contrast Star Wars and real life? I wasn't aware they added a new one to the list. The list of logical fallacies is very explicit, you don't just make up new ones.

3- it doesn't matter if Mandator and Procurator was made up by Saxton, because they are now in an official source. Also, it appears you are too lazy to read because you'll note I said "class" names, not names period. But Devastator and Avenger also fit in with Cpt_Frank's point of Star Destroyers having names of mostly doing active, mean things; but it's besides the point: I'm talking CLASS names: Imperator, Executor, Acclamator, Mandator and Procurator all fit perfectly.

So I've just demonstrated that the points ARE still valid. Unless you can provide better reasoning for why Imperial is better, you should concede. I'm tired of this.

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-10-16 07:32pm

I'll concede when Lucasfilm concedes.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-16 07:56pm

Ahem.

-LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!-

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-16 10:39pm

hahahah pretty much Cyril. No reasons, just ears blocked, saying "la-la-la-la-la-la-la"

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2002-10-17 06:22pm

Ok, a quick question: what is the approximate range of ISD's turbolasers? I've searched through SWTC, turbolaser commentaries, stardestroyer net, google, altavista and the forums, but can't seem to find the answer.
If anyone can answer this or point me to a correct place to get the info, it would be much appreciated.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-10-17 06:31pm

Sootydog wrote:So wait... the majority of Star Wars fans have KNOWN that it's Imperator class for, say, the last 25 years, and NOONE has told me? Better yet, Rick McCallum has never told me? And 25 years... shit dog, you mean Star Wars fans have been talking to each other about Imperator for 25 years? And George Lucas never once corrected himself by remaking the movies and calling them Imperator class? And if we can say Imperial is slang, we can get two points out of this:

1) Who's to say that X-Wing is also slang and it's really designated Codename Fishsticks? For that matter, once you start saying one thing is slang, doesn't that theoretically make EVERYTHING slang? Going by the e/n of EU that is.

b) The Rebels just guessed at Imperial class, when the real name was Imperator class. WOW! Those rebels sure were very close! Why didn't Admiral Fishface correct them all, what with him being a sex slave of Darth Vadar or something. Surely he'd know all the *official* names for the StarDestroyers. And, if he was anything like you guys, he'd be PISSED OFF that everyone was walking around calling them Imperial, what with the real name being Imperator.

Find me some irrefutable proof, and I will change my mind.

Fuck you troll. You got proof you god damn Troll? Here, here, release the Jihad! Annyway, the offical Incom Corp. name is Incom T-65 X-Wing first design. You can't admit valiant canon fuckface go jerk off about your imaginary EU. I don't a shit what you think, but what LucasArts thinks.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-10-17 06:34pm

PeZook wrote:Ok, a quick question: what is the approximate range of ISD's turbolasers? I've searched through SWTC, turbolaser commentaries, stardestroyer net, google, altavista and the forums, but can't seem to find the answer.
If anyone can answer this or point me to a correct place to get the info, it would be much appreciated.

Well defintely atleast across maybe a megameter? I dunno thats my guess the Endor Fiasco was pretty far off intially, they got close fast. Bean, care too provide low, mid, or heavy range estimates if any?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-17 06:44pm

According to EU Light Second Ranges are easily confirmed(Few hundred examples inculding Thrawn firing on a Submirged Casion Vessel from Orbit)
plus NJO ranges of Light-Mintue to Light Hour Firing on stationary targets

It seems to be Light-Mintue range as the base, however the whole power of SW jamming means you have to rely on non FLT Sensors....

Meaning
Bang Bang!
Did we hit them?
We will know in 1 mintue and fourty seconds....

So most battles occure in between 100-50,000KM range where ships can't move out of the way quick enough, The less than 50KM Endor fight was unprecidented at the time.(Equvilant from WWII Battleships slugging it out in less than a quater mile)

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