Kefka vs Sephiroth vs Lavos vs Sin

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-03-05 02:16am

Now I don't know much about Sin and FF10, but I'm assuming it's the equivalent of Lavos in FF10. So anyway:

This basically the same as the other Kefka vs Sephiroth except that we have a complete free-for-all between the four mentioned above. Lavos from Chrono Trigger and Sin from Final Fantasy 10.

They are all in their strongest form. So from the above four, which will come out as the victor in the end?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-05 02:40am

Overall, Lavos is the most powerful. He simply has to initiate the Day of Lavos and he's practically won the fight.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2004-03-05 10:41am

He needs some 90 million years to do that. And even then I doubt it would kill the others. If ordinary people survived, I doubt the likes of Kefka or Sin would care.

Sin isn't really strong. He's nigh-impossible to kill but can be driven off handily.

Oh lord, why am I even talking about this? There's no comparison DAMMIT!!!!! Kefka WINS! Kefka ALWAYS WINS!!!!!

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2004-03-05 10:55am

If we are assuming final forms, this fight could be interesting.

I don't think Sephiroth can win this. He can be a pain to fight, assuming you don't do one of the uber-wank attacks like Knights of the Round on him, but he's pretty generic a final villain.

Sin isn't that bastardly in and of himself, but killing him permenantly is a problem, because Yu Yevon will resummon him.

Lavos is a mixed bag. He had alot of power, but it took a damn long time for him to build it up. Assuming that this happens when he's ready to move, at 2000 AD, he's going to clear the field with several million years of built up power. This might get Sephiroth, but I don't think it will get Sin permanently and Kefka will probably live through it. After all, it's nothing that Kefka hasn't done before.

I think Kefka's got this one. I mean, Lavos has a nice opening shot, but he's a pussy after he does it, by far the easiest of the bosses mentioned. Once his opening shot clears the field except Kefka (who will find it hilarious), Kefka's either going to make him extra crispy or make him into a pet.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2004-03-05 11:28am

Lavos may be defeated at first, but then he disappears for two years and trains and returns to hand everyone their asses on a stick, while for some reason floating around and glowing yellow.

LobsterZoidberg · Post by **LobsterZoidberg** » 2004-03-05 12:57pm

I'm gonna say Kefka on this one.

Sin might actually go down first- without another summon to run to, I'm not certain Yevon can regenerate. He might be able to run to one of the magicited espers, but Kefka was capable of taking those down- all of them, in fact- before he absorbed the power of the statues.

Sephiroth- I dunno- He's semi-badass, but it seems like anything that would wipe out these guys would be on the level of the meteor attack, which took quite a while to hit- and none of the others are going to sit around and just wait for it to hit.

Lavos is pretty hardcore, but he's not that badass, and as mentioned needs to build up his power for a long damn time.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2004-03-05 06:02pm

Assuming final forms, I'd say it's between Kefka and Lavos. Both successfully plunged worlds into ruin to increase their power after all.

GoldenFalcon · Post by **GoldenFalcon** » 2004-03-05 08:51pm

Lavos, even that maniacal clown can't take spines that turn into meteor fireballs.

...then again, four kids, a frog, a robot, and a wizard managed to survive those attacks, so eh?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-03-05 09:23pm

GoldenFalcon wrote:Lavos, even that maniacal clown can't take spines that turn into meteor fireballs.

...then again, four kids, a frog, a robot, and a wizard managed to survive those attacks, so eh?

Well, on the other hand, when your party first encounters Lavos head-on, he does a "Day of Destruction" or some attack that KOs your entire party in a single hit (something like 850 or so damage instantly).

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-03-07 10:28pm

Shinova wrote:
GoldenFalcon wrote:Lavos, even that maniacal clown can't take spines that turn into meteor fireballs.

...then again, four kids, a frog, a robot, and a wizard managed to survive those attacks, so eh?
Well, on the other hand, when your party first encounters Lavos head-on, he does a "Day of Destruction" or some attack that KOs your entire party in a single hit (something like 850 or so damage instantly).

Not if you do a New Game +. You can survive the attack and beat the great death hedgehog (and get a secret extra ending).

But aside from that, the fight would be between Lavos and Kefka, and I'm betting on Kefka. Lavos took 65 million years to build up all that energy, and when you get down to it, while Lavos is a destroyer of worlds, it's not really in it for the destruction; it's merely reproducing itself. Kefka, however, IS in it for the destruction. I'm saying Kefka for this one, also.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-03-07 10:42pm

Lavos wins by deathcount, Kefka for sheer power, I think. If we included minions, Lavos takes it.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2004-03-08 12:28pm

Ignoring the game mechanics...Lavos is a world-eating, time-controlling alien - good for it. Kefka commands the powers of the three goddesses that created our plane of existance.

Kefka wins.

(On that note, I don't think that any party of adventurers should have been able to kick his ass considering he wipes out Espers just by looking at them.)

Sporkzen · Post by **Sporkzen** » 2004-03-08 02:44pm

Kefka wins!, he just seemed more overall powerful.

Even though i beat his final form by umaro throwing setzer at him...if i recall correctly. heh

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2004-03-08 03:03pm

I say Kefka wins as well, but thats just the first round. Lavos, right before being crushed, enacts his little Deus Ex Machina, aka his Time Devourer (from Chrono Cross) to alter history so that he wins. Unless Kefka can detect this and stop it before the TD goes back in time, it won't matter.

Cthulhu-chan · Post by **Cthulhu-chan** » 2004-03-10 01:53am

Kefka is highly over-rated around here. He's certainly no more powerful than Sephiroth, neither of which are shown to be the threat that Lavos or even Sin were. Sin's claim to fame was being a virual force of nature, and damn near impossible to destroy. Lavos has his own personal armageddon, not to mention his consciousness spans across the dimensions of probability, allowing him to manipulate history. The way I see it, Lavos and Sin will have at it, knocking Kefka and Sephiroth off with the fallout. Then it's just a matter of whether Sin's superior defenses can withstand Lavos' superior firepower long enough to secure a victory.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2004-03-10 11:57am

Kefka is highly over-rated around here. He's certainly no more powerful than Sephiroth, neither of which are shown to be the threat that Lavos or even Sin were.

Are you kidding...

Kefka has two wings! Two! You can't beat that.

Lavos has his own personal armageddon, not to mention his consciousness spans across the dimensions of probability, allowing him to manipulate history.

What are you talking about? He had no such thing. He was just a big, dumb space beetle that landed and took some 90 million years to unleash his world-devastation attack.

Cthulhu-chan · Post by **Cthulhu-chan** » 2004-03-11 02:39am

Did you not play Chorno Cross? Furthermore, did you miss the point in Chrono Trigger where it's revealed that Lavos had been manipulating every lifeform on the planet to best serve it's own interests? Lavos may have been many things, but stupid was not one of them...

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-03-11 03:35am

Cthulhu-chan wrote:Did you not play Chorno Cross? Furthermore, did you miss the point in Chrono Trigger where it's revealed that Lavos had been manipulating every lifeform on the planet to best serve it's own interests? Lavos may have been many things, but stupid was not one of them...

Judging from the other people's posts, being smart may not help beat Kefka.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-03-11 04:43pm

Cthulhu-chan wrote:Kefka is highly over-rated around here. He's certainly no more powerful than Sephiroth, neither of which are shown to be the threat that Lavos or even Sin were. Sin's claim to fame was being a virual force of nature, and damn near impossible to destroy. Lavos has his own personal armageddon, not to mention his consciousness spans across the dimensions of probability, allowing him to manipulate history. The way I see it, Lavos and Sin will have at it, knocking Kefka and Sephiroth off with the fallout. Then it's just a matter of whether Sin's superior defenses can withstand Lavos' superior firepower long enough to secure a victory.

Whoa whoa whoa, Lavos after 90 million years of preperation unleashed a large meteor storm that devistated the people of the planet and fell it into chaos, but when Kefka gained the power of the goddesses he TORE APART CONTINENTS WITH A GIANT MOTHER FUCKING BEAM!

Kefka ownzors.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-03-11 04:58pm

Lavos in his TimeDevourer form eats the Time/Space Continuum. That's just a wee bit more powerful than a psycho clown. In addition, the Goddesses tore apart continents. Kefka's beam could only destroy cities.

Morat · Post by **Morat** » 2004-03-11 08:45pm

Whoa whoa whoa, Lavos after 90 million years of preperation unleashed a large meteor storm that devistated the people of the planet and fell it into chaos

He didn't call down a meteor storm. Watch the scene in 12000 BC, where he slices up Zeal. The Day of Lavos ability is some kind of energy weapon that he can curve back down.

Alternatively, it could be some kind of beam gravity weapon, that he could use to pull rocks from orbit (with the ability to shear a continent as a side effect).

How much energy did it take for him to levitate Zeal, anyway?

GoldenFalcon · Post by **GoldenFalcon** » 2004-03-11 08:48pm

I always thought Lavos' attack was the spines on his back, something like a porcupine having the ability to shoot them like darts.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-03-11 08:52pm

GoldenFalcon wrote:I always thought Lavos' attack was the spines on his back, something like a porcupine having the ability to shoot them like darts.

Given that his young do the same thing.. Probably.

If we conservatively place most of the rocks in Zeal at 3 miles, we're talking 1e15 Newtons of force to keep them aloft. And remember the Square-Cube law for increasing the size...

Morat · Post by **Morat** » 2004-03-11 09:27pm

I always thought Lavos' attack was the spines on his back, something like a porcupine having the ability to shoot them like darts.

That makes sense. The weapon he used against Zeal could have been something different that merely looked similar from a distance.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-03-12 02:12am

I don't know. His spawns do shoot spines, but his attack definetly looked simply like a flurry of beams. Some straight up, and some straight up and then down. He can do magic so he must be controlling the beams' paths to some extent.

Well anyway, that's what I say.