Chavez warns U.S. about '100-year war

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-03-09 07:31am

SirNitram wrote:
Two questions:

Source?

How difficult is it to get it out of shale?

Well I read it in Time Magazine, theski's done better then that though. Extraction isn't too hard, though some of it is too deep to reach. Exxon (well IIRC it was Exxon) actual started to develop one deposit with government backing in the early 80's as a response to the 1973 Oil embargo. But the whole thing was abandon when the price of oil fell drastically. Basically you dig up the rock, smash it and then wash off the oil. Canada gets much of the oil it exports to the US via a similar method, only digging up oil-laden sand rather then rocks.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-03-09 07:35am

Worlds Spanner wrote:I thought that we get hardly any oil from the Middle East anyway?

It's about eleven or so percent of the nations total usage. However what those middle eastern nations charge for there oil and how much of it they produce has a very direct effect on what the US pays at its other sources, OPEC and non OPEC.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-09 02:45pm

Sources?

Very old CNN article, not magnificent

There's also other stuff; he's trying to pack the Supreme Court, which he has showed quite a bit of disrespect for already.

Hold on a minute. he decision that the recall petition was invalid was not an "arbitrary" one: reasons were given. I do read the news, and you're simply adopting the position of his opposition on this one.

Venezeula's elections are tightly controlled by the government and the petition process was overseen by international observers - something that Chavez had initially completely rejected, I wonder why - so it's not entirely clear how the opposition could pull off a fraud of this magnitude.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-03-09 09:29pm

Joe wrote:
Very old CNN article, not magnificent

There's also other stuff; he's trying to pack the Supreme Court, which he has showed quite a bit of disrespect for already.

Hang on- that constitution was brought in by popular vote. This is bastard politics, not the rule of a tyrant- yet.

Venezeula's elections are tightly controlled by the government and the petition process was overseen by international observers - something that Chavez had initially completely rejected, I wonder why - so it's not entirely clear how the opposition could pull off a fraud of this magnitude.

140,000 signatures were rejected outright, while another million or so are under review (I think they want the people who supposedly made them to do it again) it's hardly a massive fraud.