Massive attacks against trains in Spain/Madrid

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-11 04:41pm

"We have succeeded in infiltrating the heart of crusader Europe and struck one of the bases of the crusader alliance," said the letter which called the attacks "Operation Death Trains." There was no way of authenticating the letter, a copy of which was faxed to Reuters' office in Dubai by the London-based al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-03-11 04:42pm

Resto en la paz, amigos. Somos todos los españoles hoy.

Here's hoping for the best in dealing with the disaster and bringing the perpetrators to justice.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-03-11 04:43pm

Why would the Basques cooperate with Al Quaeda? Aside from causing mindless destruction, how does it advance the cause of Basque independence?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-03-11 04:45pm

Cooperation doesnt help them at ALL. They're not stupid, they know well enough that cooperating puts them on Bush's shitlist and that isn't good.

The explosives are likely the same because both groups are probably buying from the same criminal organizations.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-03-11 04:45pm

Death is an easy penalty for such acts. They deserve being thrown to lions or termites or God knows what other horrific death.

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-03-11 04:46pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Why would the Basques cooperate with Al Quaeda? Aside from causing mindless destruction, how does it advance the cause of Basque independence?

It doesn't. I think at this point the only people still pointing seriously at the ETA is the Spanish government.

Post by **Edi** » 2004-03-11 04:46pm

I don't think they did cooperate. Them getting entangled in this will rob them of what little support they still have, ETA has been going downhill in that respect for the past several years after their murder of a prominent and popular Basque politician. I'm inclined to believe the AQ is responsible.

Fucking rabid beasts, ought to be shot on sight...

Edi

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-03-11 04:46pm

How long till the the first conspiracy theories saying the US was behind it?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-03-11 04:48pm

Edi wrote:I don't think they did cooperate. Them getting entangled in this will rob them of what little support they still have, ETA has been going downhill in that respect for the past several years after their murder of a prominent and popular Basque politician. I'm inclined to believe the AQ is responsible.

Fucking rabid beasts, ought to be shot on sight...

Edi

And they will, Edi, they will. Compliments of a very angry EU.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-11 04:48pm

Sharp-kun wrote:How long till the the first conspiracy theories saying the US was behind it?

I doubt we'll get blamed directly for it, but indirectly? Hell yes, just wait for the next Robert Fisk column.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2004-03-11 04:50pm

Sharp-kun wrote

How long till the the first conspiracy theories saying the US was behind it?

It already has .... Go check... http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 102x415703

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-03-11 04:51pm

What is the European reaction, Colonel Olrik? Over here most folks havn't heard yet, and won't until they turn on the evening news.

Post by **Edi** » 2004-03-11 04:52pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:And they will, Edi, they will. Compliments of a very angry EU.

Indeed. Methinks there is going to be a collective sound of *STOMP* to be heard all over this continent in response, and I wouldn't want to be at the place where the hell comes down...

Edi

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-03-11 04:53pm

In conspiracy news, it has been 911 days between Sept. 11 and today.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-03-11 04:53pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:What is the European reaction, Colonel Olrik? Over here most folks havn't heard yet, and won't until they turn on the evening news.

Best gauge of the reaction will be to read the papers tommorow.

Post by **Edi** » 2004-03-11 04:53pm

Edi wrote:...and I wouldn't want to be at the place where the hell comes down...

That should have been "where the heel comes down", but it works just as well either way...

Edi

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-03-11 04:54pm

The European reaction will possibly be an endless procession of discussion groups, task forces, and committees to discuss what means should be taken...

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-03-11 04:55pm

Dahak wrote:The European reaction will possibly be an endless procession of discussion groups, task forces, and committees to discuss what means should be taken...

If it were France, I would agree, but there's a reason why no one has ever conquered Spain. They screw around, and then when the chips are down they kick danger square in the nuts.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-03-11 04:56pm

Dahak wrote:The European reaction will possibly be an endless procession of discussion groups, task forces, and committees to discuss what means should be taken...

hopefully this will be a wakeup call.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2004-03-11 05:00pm

kojikun wrote:
Dahak wrote:The European reaction will possibly be an endless procession of discussion groups, task forces, and committees to discuss what means should be taken...
hopefully this will be a wakeup call.

To do exactly what?
It's not like you're going to invade AlQaidastan...

All one can do is repair the damage, mourn the dead, and go on.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-03-11 05:04pm

That isn't enough. Those responsible must be punished.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-03-11 05:07pm

This seems like an odd move for al Qaeda. Here they had the US and most of the EU solidly divided about the War on Terror. This will only serve to unify them in the hunt for his ass.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-03-11 05:08pm

Durandal wrote:This seems like an odd move for al Qaeda. Here they had the US and most of the EU solidly divided about the War on Terror. This will only serve to unify them in the hunt for his ass.

Consider this: If the EU isn't screaming for their blood, it's alot harder to paint them as 'evil crusaders'.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-03-11 05:11pm

Dahak wrote: To do exactly what?
It's not like you're going to invade AlQaidastan...

All one can do is repair the damage, mourn the dead, and go on.

Two months from now the Euro 2004 will take place in Portugal. I don't think we (or any other country in the E.U) have the capacity to alone ensure a competition free of these kinds of attacks, if they are really determined in doing them. At the very least, E.U military, police and intelligence cooperation will have to improve dramatically, in a short period of time.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2004-03-11 05:15pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:What is the European reaction, Colonel Olrik? Over here most folks havn't heard yet, and won't until they turn on the evening news.

From what my parents have told me, the portuguese are taking it very badly, almost as badly as the spanish. Today in the evening the germans were already talking quite a lot about it. Don't really know about the rest, in the next days we shall see.