Deleted Scene from "The Passion"

Hobot · Post by **Hobot** » 2004-03-10 12:08am

kojikun wrote:
Hobot wrote:When did I ever say I was offended by the image?

Still, I wonder what kind of reaction I'd get if I were to post WTC themed version of that kind of humour. Do you think I'd have to wait a few years to get some laughs?
Some kids at my school are already using 9/11-related topics when we joke with the fundementalists. It depends on the people. Give it 2000 years.

I see, I'll write it down.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-10 01:19am

Hobot wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:No, because the World Trade Center was a real tragedy; not a fairy tale.
So you deny the historical fact that thousands of innocent (and guilty) people were crucified?

"Red herring" fallacy. Lord Poe is comparing well-documented WTC tragedy to the specific crucifixion and torture of Jesus, which is NOT historical fact, and which is NOT as bad as thousands of people dying (1 person vs 3000 people; do the fucking math), and which is documented in only the sketchiest terms by his own followers.

Hobot · Post by **Hobot** » 2004-03-10 09:02am

Darth Wong wrote:"Red herring" fallacy. Lord Poe is comparing well-documented WTC tragedy to the specific crucifixion and torture of Jesus, which is NOT historical fact, and which is NOT as bad as thousands of people dying (1 person vs 3000 people; do the fucking math), and which is documented in only the sketchiest terms by his own followers.

Strawman. More than one man was crucified.

I think I see your point though. If I were to replace the man jumping from the building with Jesus, or some other person who may or may not have existed but is worshipped by millions, it would be okay.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-03-10 04:17pm

YT300000 wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:That reminds me of the Jesus porn I thought up once... You can twist the bible around to be a very perverted book...
Jesus: Get thee up behind me, Satan.

figure that, kissing judas, and spending all those weeks in the desert with Mary M. kinda shows he was not nearly as hung up about sex as his followers are today.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-11 12:39pm

Hobot wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:"Red herring" fallacy. Lord Poe is comparing well-documented WTC tragedy to the specific crucifixion and torture of Jesus, which is NOT historical fact, and which is NOT as bad as thousands of people dying (1 person vs 3000 people; do the fucking math), and which is documented in only the sketchiest terms by his own followers.
Strawman. More than one man was crucified.

So? Lord Poe's image was not making fun of the entire concept of crucifixion; just the specific crucifixion of Jesus. The only strawman is yours.

I think I see your point though. If I were to replace the man jumping from the building with Jesus, or some other person who may or may not have existed but is worshipped by millions, it would be okay.

Any actual victim of the WTC has still-living friends and family. It is something of an understatement to say that such a person cannot be compared to someone who is more of a concept than a documented individual.

Hobot · Post by **Hobot** » 2004-03-11 09:10pm

I've been playing the Devil's advocate, well I guess it would be more accurate to say Christ's advocate, in this thread. I'm an atheist so I don't find the image offensive. However, I wonder if we're not being too crass by mocking something that millions hold dear. To many Christians, Jesus is a real person and someone they feel a strong bond towards, to mock his death (real or not) to them might be as bad as mocking the death of a victim of the WTC tragedy. It seems that we're are all too happy and willing to mock Christians and their faith. In some cases (fundies like Fred Phelps) it is obviously acceptable, but I think we step over the line too often.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-11 10:55pm

Hobot wrote:I've been playing the Devil's advocate, well I guess it would be more accurate to say Christ's advocate, in this thread. I'm an atheist so I don't find the image offensive. However, I wonder if we're not being too crass by mocking something that millions hold dear. To many Christians, Jesus is a real person and someone they feel a strong bond towards, to mock his death (real or not) to them might be as bad as mocking the death of a victim of the WTC tragedy. It seems that we're are all too happy and willing to mock Christians and their faith. In some cases (fundies like Fred Phelps) it is obviously acceptable, but I think we step over the line too often.

Of course Jesus is a real person to them; they act as though they talk to him on the phone every fucking Friday! But objectively speaking, he is not. And the fact that they believe in it doesn't change anything; each time I bite into a hamburger I'm sure I must offend hundreds of millions of Hindus who believe that cows are sacred, but that doesn't mean I should feel ashamed of it. They have yet to provide a good reason for their anger, which is the same thing I can say about Christians who are offended when I treat their particular mythology with as much levity as I do all of the others.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-03-11 11:01pm

Everytime anyone opens their mouth, they offend someone.

So we might as well learn to enjoy it.