Man Refuses help

[aphexmonster]

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ORLANDO, Fla. -- An 83-year-old man was found lying dead in his yard next to his wife after he fell, became stranded and ordered his wife not to get help for three days despite heavy rainstorms, according to authorities.

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Sheriff's deputies said Glen Schibley, 83, was working in his yard at 5459 Brosche Road in Orlando Monday when he fell and was unable to get up.

When his wife, Harriet, 79, found Glen on the ground, he instructed her not to get help and that he would take care of his situation, Local 6 News reported.

The man's wife left him in the yard but continued to care for him for three days by covering him up in a tarp during rainstorms and bringing food and water.

Alright, first of all, did nobody else see this man lying in his yard, or did they just live way back in the country?!

Second of all, what kinda sick bitch leaves her husband ... especially after day 2 of lying there. 24 hours or more is fucked up. I think she wanted him to die first off




]i hope this isn't a double post of someone elses

[Soontir C'boath]

They're old and I'll bet the old man figure if he couldn't get himself up then it's times up for him.~Jason

[Darth Fanboy]

Second of all, what kinda sick bitch leaves her husband ... especially after day 2 of lying there. 24 hours or more is fucked up. I think she wanted him to die first off

Hey now, maybe she was actually that devoted to him to where she wouldn't want to go against his wishes. BEfore you start calling her a "sick bitch" and make judgements on her think of it from her prespective. She and her husband were married for a very long time more than likely and they came from an era where a wife respected her husband's wishes no matter how odd they seemed*, She obviously felt that ofending his pride would damage their relationship and she probably trusted him to handle it the way he saw fit.


(* when I say "respected her husband's wishes" I am in no way condoning behavior offensive or negative towards women. just trying to see things from the perspective of a previous era.)

[18-Till-I-Die]

No, i'm going with the 'crazy bitch leave sher husband to die' idea. It seems more logical. And also, i'm wondering if he really fell...you read me?

[Tsyroc]

No, i'm going with the 'crazy bitch leave sher husband to die' idea. It seems more logical. And also, i'm wondering if he really fell...you read me?

He probably fell but he may have had a little help getting started.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

To be honest, I feel for the man. I have an intense fear of growing that old and becoming feeble, and if I fell like he did and couldn't get up, then I would've decided that it was time for me to die. As much as it would hurt her, I'd expect my life partner to respect my wishes too.

[aphexmonster]

Well in the reoprt it says that the woman was " unnable to phone for help " ...

but im gonna have to go with sick bitch. Leaving someone to lie in the yard for three days straight is fucked up >_< . and if he wanted to die, then they're both screwed in the head ... it was probably beacuse she was a bad wife

[Hobot]

Did you people not even READ the fucking article? She didn't leave him, she stayed by his side the whole time, feeding and protecting him. She didn't call for help because the guy didn't want her to. Eventually, she fell too and was unable to get up. As to why nobody saw this, their lawn is extremely cluttered and is covered by trees and other plants.

Try and actually read the article and watch the video for the whole story.

She is not a sick bitch, she's an extremely loyal and obediant wife to an old and extremely proud and stubborn man. Neither of them had any ill intentions, nor did the old man want to die, he was just too stubborn (and according to the video he had a "bad experience" the last time something like that happened).

[18-Till-I-Die]

Hmmm...ok, show of hands:

Who would NOT call the EMS if their spouce fell and was unable to getup?

Me? I'd fuck my wife's wishes, i'd rather be shunned by her for the rest of her life than visit her greatful gravestone. I'd dial 911 so fast they'd arrive before i touched the phone, FTL fast here people, and that would be just because she's another human being, dont get me started on emotional connections and all. No person, and i mean NO ONE WITH ANY SENSE AT ALL, would leave a freind, lover or anyone to die in a god damn lawn because they dont want help.

And with all do respect, to assume that her cockamamie story is truthful makes about as much sense as the story itself. Hobot, with all seriousness, if you're spouce fell down, your spouce of several decades mind you, and asked you not to call the cops...what would you do?

No, sorry, nice plea for compassion but no cigar.

She's crazy and/or pushed him down and killed him. I refuse to beleive that he would actually just lay there and die, it goes against every survival instict mankind has cultured over thousand sof years. He might as well try to fly, it'd go against his instincts less. The only way anyone would just lay down and die is if they're insane, which i doubt in this case, or someone wouldnt let them get up. In which case, it was simple murder.

[fgalkin]

Sheriff's deputies said that while caring for her husband, Harriet also fell and was unable to get help.

The couple's son-in-law went to the house to check on the elderly couple and found them in the yard. Glen Schibley had passed away and Harriet was found injured. She was transported to Florida Hospital East, where she is expected to recover.

"They wanted to be left alone and we left them alone and maybe we shouldn't have left them alone," neighbor Sherman Brunell said.

No foul play is suspected in this incident.

(emphasis mine)

18, you should check you reading comprehension skills. What part of No Foul Play Suspected don't you understand?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[18-Till-I-Die]

I guess stupidity doesnt count as foul play .

How, pray tell, does one just sit a watch another peron suffer without even trying to help them up, weather they want it or not? What kind of mind does that?

Is there one person here who honestly would let another human being lay dying and just feed them and keep 'em warm while they slowly rot away on a lawn? I'd like to know who, so i never get stuck with them anywhere.

[fgalkin]

I guess stupidity doesnt count as foul play .

How, pray tell, does one just sit a watch another peron suffer without even trying to help them up, weather they want it or not? What kind of mind does that?

Is there one person here who honestly would let another human being lay dying and just feed them and keep 'em warm while they slowly rot away on a lawn? I'd like to know who, so i never get stuck with them anywhere.

Someone who respects their husband's wishes. They had other standards for family relations when these people were married, you know.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[18-Till-I-Die]

In all seriousness, fgalkin. There is no such thing as respecting someone's wish to die a horrible death. That's called assisted suicide, and it's against the law. If we lived in an apartment, and you fell and couldnt get up, i hope you know i'd call the police, weather you want me to or not, just for the demonstrable fact you're a SENTIENT BEING IN NEED OF HELP! Sorry if i'd disobey your wish to die. But i think if he'd lived he'd have thanked them later. Unfortunately, we'll never know will we.

There is something called neglegent homocide. Ignorance of the law is not a defense against it.

[aphexmonster]

i just dont like it ... both of those people are sick

[18-Till-I-Die]

i just dont like it ... both of those people are sick

You've hit the nail on the head, my freind. They were both bonkers. But unless she wants to use an insanity defense, i'd still charge her with neglegent homocide if i were the DA.

[TheDarkOne]

You are allowed to refuse assistance if you wish to. The man explicitly told his wife not to help him, if she had helped him, against his wishes, I'm relatively sure she would have been breaking the law. See, when you learn first aid, one of the things they tell you is that if the person you're trying to help is conscious you have to ask their permission to help them, if they don't give it, then you aren't supposed to help them.

[18-Till-I-Die]

I'm also relitively sure he'd have rethought it over and realized he was being an idiot, even if he didnt admit it. And i would break the law to save someone, just because it's right, lawful or no. As human beings, we have certain obligations to one another...unless it was some kind od prederast or psycho, i think we can safely say that wasnt so, helping a senile old man too crazy to realize he needs help isnt wrong. No court on Earth would convict her of anything, you realize that. I sure wouldnt have, if i were on the jury.

But there is no jury. Just a dead old man, and a crazy old woman, and a sad story of why the elderly shouldnt live alone. Their son-in-law should've been there, to make sure stuff like this doenst happen, if it'd happened once before and there was a chance it'd happen again. But in the end, it's the obligation of the person sitting by the shore while you drown to throw you a lifesaver.

[Alyrium Denryle]

In all seriousness, fgalkin. There is no such thing as respecting someone's wish to die a horrible death. That's called assisted suicide, and it's against the law.

Just becauae it is against the law doesnt mean it is wrong to do.

And if you read the article, she DID help him, she justdidnt call in outside assistance. She then,later fell and couldnt get up.

SHe was a good, loyal wife to man who was to stubborn to let people se him in a weakened condition. If I was that weak I would probably ask the same thing.

My grandfather has been fighting rumatid arthitis for the better part of 15 years.. He is a prideful and stuborn man who was a police officer in his younger days. If he was ever in a condition that he couldnt move... My grandmother would respect his wishes to.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Well this is a message to my SD.Net comrades:

IF I FALL THE FUCK DOWN, FEEL FREE TO HELP ME ANY TIME!


This has been a public srevice announcement from, you know, me and stuff.

[Soontir C'boath]

But there is no jury. Just a dead old man, and a crazy old woman, and a sad story of why the elderly shouldnt live alone. Their son-in-law should've been there, to make sure stuff like this doenst happen, if it'd happened once before and there was a chance it'd happen again. But in the end, it's the obligation of the person sitting by the shore while you drown to throw you a lifesaver.

Hey Bitch, if I was as old as that guy and I couldn't get MY FUCKING ASS OFF THE FUCKING GROUND, I rather stay the fuck down and die then be helped as sure as hell as it would be my damn time to go. So don't you call his wife a crazy person you jackass. There's something called pride and respect for it in which you don't seem to understand jack shit about.

As also said before, you CAN refuse assistance, obligation or not. Even if you do throw that lifesaver, that ain't going to mean that guy is going to take it.

Edit: Coming to think of it, it would seem the old man could've been paralyzed. I mean he should've at least been able to move his legs, folding them up and then lifting himself that way. If that is the case, the more the reason to be left alone imo.

Edit 2: Nevertheless, it is your choice the way you want it. You want to be saved fine, but this man didn't and that doesn't give you the right to moan and call him names for HIS choice.

Cyaround,
Jason

[18-Till-I-Die]

Hey, buddy, i'll have you knwo i'm not a bitch. I'm a man, dufus, that means i'm a son of a bitch. God, if you're going to insult me take the time to think your shit out. JESUS, HAVE PRIDE IN YOUR CRAFT MAN!

And no, you dont have to grab the lifesaver. But that means i wont still toss it to you. And even if you did fall, i'd try to get some help, and you could curse me out later. It's called empathy, something all people, you included, have at birth.

And being that loyal IS crazy! Would you ever be that loyal, to anyone. I wouldnt, that's not loyalty that's insanity, and i'd dare say they were both a little senile!

So, to recap:

Son of a bitch, english on son.

Fine, dont take the lifesaver, i'd still throw it, just because it's right to. Using it is up to you, and i never said it wasnt.

No normal person is that loyal. None.

[Soontir C'boath]

Hey, buddy, i'll have you knwo i'm not a bitch. I'm a man, dufus, that means i'm a son of a bitch. God, if you're going to insult me take the time to think your shit out. JESUS, HAVE PRIDE IN YOUR CRAFT MAN!

So you're calling your own mama a bitch? Ok if that's fine with you, that's fine with me.

And no, you dont have to grab the lifesaver. But that means i wont still toss it to you. And even if you did fall, i'd try to get some help, and you could curse me out later. It's called empathy, something all people, you included, have at birth.

If I was that old as that person I would be too tired to curse the shit out of you. More like you fucked me in the ass of my pride.
Figure this, that man can't get himself up. That means two things:
1. He's very very weak to pick himself up.
2. He's paralyzed.

Either condition, I rather not live longer if I couldn't do jack shit anymore nevertheless move. If I WAS younger say in my 60's then my 80s then perhaps I will call for help.

And being that loyal IS crazy! Would you ever be that loyal, to anyone. I wouldnt, that's not loyalty that's insanity, and i'd dare say they were both a little senile!

IF I or the person in question whom was old and feeble as that man and refuses...yes.
What would I do after I'm saved if I'm too weak to do anything?
Stay in the hospital till I finally die in that husky old bed? That's the worst thing to do to a person. Making me feel useless all those months/years.

Cyaround,
Jason

[18-Till-I-Die]

Hey, if you want to die, feel free. But remember, the fact i'll try to help is not because i want to destroy you, but give you a chance to live. It's empathy, If the roles were reversed, for all your talk, you'd do the same, not out of malice, but because a ittle voice in your mind tells you it's right.

Empathy, you cant deny it.

[Soontir C'boath]

Empathy, you cant deny it.

Apparently, the couple in question did. Therefore you are false.

Edit: Actually scratch that, I will feel empathy but in a way of seeing how he is now.
IIRC, he's 80 years old. He's down on the ground and he can't get himself up. He doesn't have the strength to pick his own body up. Not even try to position his legs to help lift. Nada, he was probably paralyzed meaning if I send him to a hospital, he's going to spend who knows how long there, unable to move in that bed on life support.
He can die with pride on that ground or die at the hospital whether the moment he comes in asking for a shot for his deathor for the months/years to come with the knowing fact that he was helped to live a wee bit longer on that bed.

Which one do you think I'll choose?

Cyaround,
Jason

[18-Till-I-Die]

No, the couple in question were a little off, as others have stated, they dont count. No normal person wants to die, not really wants to die, and no normal person would help them. I was referring to normal people, with normal functioning senses of the worth of life and death.

And we dont know if he couldnt move completly, he just may have been too weak to lift his own weight from a prone psition. My grandma is eighty, she can walk, with a slight limp cause of an eariler injury, but still. However, she needs help getting out of laying or prone positions, because she has a spinal condition brought on by years of undiagnosed artheritis. Other than that, she's a fully functional person. She lives a perfectly normal life, has freinds, goes on walks, everything.

So the narrow view of the situation you stated is false; other factors could've led to this. I can see how someone could look at the elderly and assume they're weak, but my grandmother would show otherwise, and so would millions of others.

What happened in this case, if i were to take a guess, is this: they were eccentrics, who lived alone, and he was injured and fell. Because of some insane loyalty that no normal person would have, she'd rather him die on his own than be helped to live by someone else, as per his request. So that's what happened, after she herself was injured of course. They probably had other 'irregularities', i'd suspect both were a little senlile because:

A. No normal person would just let themselves die.

B. No normal person would let someone else die.

Add to this the fact that they've known each other for decades, and it truly becomes very depressing. But you knwo that if it were two relitively normal people, this wouldnt have heppened. Obviously, as aphexmonster said, they both had some serious misconceptions about 'help'.

That's just my two cents, take them as you find them.